Silav û rêz temaşevanên hêja. Greetings and respects, dear viewers.
Bi beşekî nû ji bernameya we, bernameya Gundên Welat... With a new episode of your program, the "Gundên Welat" (Villages of the Homeland) program...
Ez Rûliyan Hac Ehmed dîsa îro li gel we me. I am Ruliyan Hac Ehmed, here with you again today.
Û îro em ji gundê Cûqê li gel we ne. And today we are with you from the village of Cuqê (Juqe).
Em ê bi hev re biçin seredana gund bikin, guhdarî me bikin. We will go and visit the village together, listen to us.
Li me temaşe bikin û bi me re bimînin. Watch us and stay with us.
Merheba xalo. Hello, uncle.
Ehlen û sehlen. Welcome.
Em te nas bikin, navê te? Let us get to know you, your name?
Navê min Evdilkerîm Mela Mihemed Ibn Îbrahîm min Ciwêq. My name is Abdulkarim Mela Mhemed Ibn Ibrahim from Cweq.
Ser çava. Welcome (On my eyes).
Ebû Ebdo. Abu Abdo.
Belê, ser çava. Yes, welcome.
Yanî me'rûf bi Ebû Ebdo, Ebdilkerîm Mela. I mean, known as Abu Abdo, Abdulkarim Mela.
Belê. Yes.
Yanî berê, bi xocetira ev gund... I mean, in the past, basically this village...
Pirtûk li ber qicika da, elimandine em çûçik bûn. They used to teach books to the children, we were little.
Cizî Eme didan û pirtûkên herikî û Quranê... They would teach the Amma part of the Quran, other books, and the Quran...
Bi xocetira digotin mela. Basically, they used to call them "mela" (mullah/cleric).
Mela. Mela.
Yanî, bi Tirkî bi xocetira dibêjin mela. I mean, in Turkish, they basically say "mela".
Em meşhûr in. We are famous.
Ku niha mela ye li ser we... Mela... So now "mela" is used for you... Mela...
Mela Mihemed. Mela Mhemed.
Ji we derê hatiye. It came from you (your family).
Em ji jor da hatin e. We came from the north.
Jiber ku te qala gund kir. Since you talked about the village.
Ka ez ji te pirs bikim, tiştekî, navê gundê Cûqê. Let me ask you something, the name of the village of Cûqê (Juqe).
Ji kû derê hatiye? Where did it come from?
Navê gundê Cûqê, Cûweq dibêjin. The name of the village of Cuqe, they call it Cuweq.
Mebesta wê, yanî cihê ku mirov lê kom dibin û diçin e. Its meaning is, the place where people gather and pass through.
Berê, Cûweq bazar bûye. In the past, Cuweq was a bazaar (market).
Xelk pir lê... yanî bazarî mezin bûye. People gathered a lot... I mean it was a big market.
Navê Cûweq dibêjin, ji wir hatiye, ser rêkê ye ale kul hal... The name Cuweq, they say, comes from there, it is on the road anyway...
Nakokiyên ser avê didin... There are conflicts over water...
Ser rêka gundê me da we diçe Qilbê, diçe Raco. It goes on the road of our village towards Qilb, towards Raco.
Berê di vir re diçûn gundê me navê wî Cûweq, ji wir da hatiye. In the past they used to pass through here, the name of our village Cuweq, came from there.
Belê. Yes.
Lakin, dunya qedîm e. But, the world is old.
Ka ji me re qala gund bike. Tell us about the village.
Dîroka gund yan... Berî çend salan çêbûye? The history of the village, or... How many years ago was it built?
Gund, a em zanin. The village, as far as we know.
Kalê me yî hatiye. Our grandfather who came here.
Dorê çarsed, heyştê sal, an nehsed sal, an pêncsed sal. Around four hundred and eighty years, or nine hundred years, or five hundred years ago.
Hatiye malê... Sisê, çar gundî rûniştin e. He came to the house... Three, four villagers settled.
Tebaen di şikeftan da rûniştin e. Of course, they lived in caves.
Mal tunebûn. There were no houses.
Mal tunebûn, şikeft bûn. There were no houses, there were caves.
Di hundirê şikeftan de pez di hundir de, ew jî di hundir de... Inside the caves, the sheep were inside, and they were inside too...
Belê. Yes.
Derûkê (Derveyî wî). Outside.
Derketin yek ê hêştirê xwe hûn e wer... They went out, one of them brought their camel...
Îkanî(?) yê. To the field.
Sedî key du kîj diya cîr a dibin... Then two people became neighbors.
Te sed ekey malek ê di şikeftan da ye malê Amara dibêjin berî me ne. You have a hundred of them, one family is in the caves, the Amara family, they say they were here before us.
Û malê Nasira berî me ne. And the Nasira family was here before us.
Em tarîxê wan nizanin. We do not know their history.
Hûn malê çaremîn e. You are the fourth family.
Lakin, a hatiye, malê Sîs e, yan ê ku em zanin gundê... Rûniştiye kalê me ye. But, the one who came, is the Sîs family, meaning what we know of the village... The one who settled is our grandfather.
Malê Mela. The Mela family.
Mela Omer e, ale kul hal navê kalê me Mela Omer e. It's Mela Omer, basically our grandfather's name is Mela Omer.
Ji xezîyê Eyntabê hatiye... Ji gundekî navê gund "Hesema" ye. He came from the Gaziantep area... From a village named "Hessema".
Belê. Yes.
Heta naka jî ew heye, yanî. It still exists until now, I mean.
Yanî, em çûne, ew hatine. Ciyê me kalê me hîn li wir e, heye. I mean, we went, they came. Our place, our grandfather is still there, he is there.
Erê. Yes.
Yanî mala sisê, hatine vî gundî, rûniştine. Bas di şikefta da rûniştine. I mean, three families came to this village, they settled. But they lived in the caves.
Di şikefta da rûniştine. They lived in the caves.
Di şikefta da, pez di hundir de heş bûye yanî. In the cave, with the sheep inside, it was crowded, I mean.
Paşê feteh bûye, bizanibin, yanî... Then it opened up, you know, I mean...
Feteh bûye... It opened up...
Paşê, mal zêde bûne, xelk lê hatine. Then, the houses increased, people came to it.
Paşê, xanî girtin, ketin xaniyan. Then, they took houses, they entered houses.
Yanî sê salên bîdayê (pêşî) xanî şikeft in. I mean, the first three years, the houses were caves.
Lê çend şikeftanin li cem me, em dîtine, ale kul hal. But there are some caves near us, we have seen them, anyway.
Em malê Nasira, malê... Ev... Malê gundiyan di şikeftê da bûn. We are the Nasira family, the family of... This... The village families were in the cave.
Di şikefta da rûniştin ale kul hal. They settled in the caves, anyway.
Xanîyên destpêkê ku girtin... Ji çi girtin? The first houses they got... What were they made of?
Xanîyên destpêkê ku girtin, ji kevir a girtin. The first houses they got, they made them from stone.
Belê. Yes.
Ne wekî, noka evên Ereb a qube digirtin. Ji heriyê çêdikin, yan kermîdê çêdikin, digirtin. Not like now, these Arabs who build domes. They make them from mud, or bricks, they used to build them.
Hûn. Yes.
Lê cem me, bi keviran girtin. But in our place, they built with stones.
Tebaen kevir, wey çaxa çimento tunebûye. Of course stone, there was no cement at that time.
Bi axê, bi herî yê hiştin yek kevir, di girtin. With soil, with mud, they left one stone, they built.
Piştî mal zêde bûne, li gund, wusa dest bi xanîyan kirin. After the houses increased in the village, they started building houses like this.
Xanî, noka a niha li cem me heye, haret e (kolan e). Houses, now we have them here, it's a neighborhood (street).
Piştî xanîya kirin, ev de maneyek dizî ye. After they built the houses, this is a meaning of stealing.
Maneyek dizî. A meaning of stealing.
Maneyek... berê diz dihatin, mal vedikirin. A meaning... in the past, thieves used to come, break into houses.
Naka haret in li cem me heye, em dibêjin haretê malê Hemdîyê te pê ra.. e.. malê îbûkê jî... Now we have neighborhoods, we call it the Hemdiya family neighborhood... and the Ibuk family's...
Piştî xanîya kirin e vê de, berî hev da bi qulba da, berî hev da bi qulba da... (korbê da) After they built the houses, they connected them together through holes (tunnels)...
Da ku, te got maneyek dizî ye, dizî çi ye? So that, you said it's a meaning of stealing, what is stealing?
Dihatin, mal ve dikirin xelkê... They used to come, break into people's houses...
Kî wa dihatin, mal ve dikirin? Who came and broke into houses?
Diz, mal paşî mal didan hev, maneyê... kes me negire kû neme ware yanî. Thieves, they connected the houses together, meaning... so that nobody catches us or comes to us, I mean.
Belê. Yes.
Tebaen yanî. Of course, I mean.
Gund çêbû... The village was built...
Gund, neşxirî e, neqş çêdibin yanî. The village, evolved, patterns were made, I mean.
Gund çêdibin... Mame, harî kirin e... mame li hevdu, ji bo hev... mame... xêra hevdu bixwazin. The villages are built... We stayed, we helped each other... we stayed together, for each other... we stayed... to wish each other well.
Mame, bi hev re harî kin. We stayed, to help each other.
Belê. Yes.
Nawaye. That's how it is.
Bes subhanella, a niha kiye. But Subhanallah, now it is...
Xalo milê çandiniyê de, çi kar dikirin berê? Uncle, in terms of agriculture, what work did they do in the past?
Berê ziraet (çandinî) bû. Noka, ez gîştime. In the past it was agriculture. Now, I have reached it.
Zeytûn tine bûn. There were no olives.
Pev da rez bûn (tirî). Ji Zeytê heta li vî gundî. There were vineyards everywhere. From Zeytê up to this village.
Û ba deşmaştina pev da... gir, rez bûn. And over the plain... hills, there were vineyards.
Havî (Hevî), çend salî bû? Berî bi çend salan bû? How old were you? How many years ago was it?
Ev a gîştime, eşta ez belkî hem heştdih salî... Yanî, şêştê salî da. When I reached it, I was maybe eighteen... I mean, sixty years ago.
Paşê zeytûn çêbû. Then olives were planted.
Xelkê, di nav çanda... diçûn danî dihat. People, in the middle of planting... they went and seeds came.
Dorê wan, danîndikirin erdan. Around them, they planted seeds in the lands.
Xizmet dikirin. Zeytûn çêbû... Berê, rez bûn. They took care of them. Olives grew... Before, there were vineyards.
Belê. Yes.
Em mesîmerxane (sîrge/kargeh)... çêkiribûn di ber xendekê va... We had built grape syrup factories near the trench...
Tirî xwa, diçînîn (diçinin), dibirin... mîrxan e, dikirin araq e. (meyser e) We picked our grapes, took them... to the syrup factory, made them into arak (or syrup).
Araq e, çêdikin, li kî derê? They make Arak, where?
Araq e, çêdikirin... Li ber tirî xendekê (gir e). They made arak... Near the grapes at the trench (hill).
Têne li Efrînê, defirotin? Li derveyî Efrînê jî? Did they only sell it in Afrin? Outside Afrin too?
L' Efrînê jî. L' Qederê jî defirotin. In Afrin too. They also sold it in Qeder.
Û dên wê ra? And after that?
Xeynî rez û xeynî zeytûn û... Other than vineyards and other than olives and...
Zeytûnan. Orto (Paşê) dest pê kirin bi çelema kirin... Olives. Then they started to work with turnips...
Bi darê fewekê kirin. Gez e, gêlaz e, xermût e (hirmî ye), çi ye, yanî... They worked with fruit trees. Almonds, cherries, pears, whatever, I mean...
Da çandin. Şuxilî xwe hebin, yanî. They planted them. They had their own work, I mean.
Tenê çandinî bû. It was only agriculture.
Ereb, çandinî bû. Arabs, it was agriculture.
Hinar bû, meselen, e... e... There were pomegranates, for example, uh... uh...
Ji çend salan û vir de ye? Te çawa gund dibîne? Since how many years? How do you see the village?
Wekî... Like...
Xudê... By God...
Wekî me digî... Tabaen yanî. As we say... Of course, I mean.
Naka berê, tiştek bûn, û noka tiştek in. In the past, things were one way, and now they are another.
Ez bixwazim te wî jî bi me re hewl bidî. Çima berê tiştek bû, û noka tiştek in? I would like you to explain that to us too. Why were things one way in the past, and another way now?
Haha... hah... Haha... hah...
Berê... Bêder hebûn. In the past... There were threshing floors.
Şixr e hebûn, cencer hebûn. There were tools, there were threshing sledges.
Em pale diçinîn. Palayek me... em qe çi kin yanî... em qe çi kin. We were reapers harvesting. We reaped... what did we do, I mean... what did we do.
Yanî am weyê... em riyê me deh, pêncsalî ye yanî. I mean we were... we were ten, fifteen years old then.
Palê yekî dema diket xirabiyê (nava zad). Me herdû de dî me digo "em ê herin paliyê wî biçinin," ew nikan e biçine. When a reaper's crop fell into bad condition. We both saw him, we said "we will go reap his crop," he can't reap it.
Me çû zeviyê wî harî dikir vî me qat... ve me qat dikir. We went to his field and helped him, we cut it... we cut it.
Yanî, bê dûr me qat. Ne pare. I mean, we cut it for free. Not for money.
Ne... Cencer e... Te kotar... Li berê çû... Bi dev çûyîna bexçê me... Cencer, malê de kotay... Bro bro. No... Threshing sledge... You see... In the past... When going to our garden... The threshing sledge, in the house... Go, go.
Ciyê çar cih a hebûn. Yekê cencera xwe xelas kir, eb ê mese doriya xwa bu. Bi cencera xwa ve dekişandin serê cîraniya xwa. There were four places. One finished his threshing, it was the other's turn. He would pull his threshing sledge to his neighbor.
Vê re harî dikir. Yekî elba kî... Qaygem ser ewda elba nakin... He helped him with that. Someone's measure... They stand firm over it, they don't do the measure...
Bêdervanî, ew da wî... Cihê lê dinana elba kom dibin... Dîyo bevdira xwar dikir bêderê xwa... Gîdilba dikirin. The threshing floor owner, would give it to him... The place where they put the measure, they gather... They would sit together and thresh their floor... They made grain piles.
Yanî bevdira xwar dikirin. I mean, they were eating together.
Nakano, nawaye. Now, it's not like that.
Naka dibêje... Ez bes... Yanî nefsê min... Nefsî min. Bas gelek nawaye. Now he says... Only me... I mean, myself... Myself. But it's mostly not like that.
Madem am li cem hev din in. Am li vî gundî cem hev rûniştin e. Since we are together. We live together in this village.
Em diçin eşekî evda jî... Em diçin ferahê (kêf) ê evda jî... We go to each other's pains (funerals)... We go to each other's joys (weddings)...
Yanî însan le cem be vî di nav me'na harîkirin e yan... Ne ma me'na tiştî. I mean, humans next to each other, it means helping... It doesn't mean anything else.
Darin li mê dikin... Dibêjin cuma namaze. Cuma namaze manê çiye? They look at us... They say Friday prayers. What does Friday prayer mean?
Manê çiye? What does it mean?
Manê, l' halê evda bipirsin. It means asking about each other's state...
Darin camiyê li mî dikin. Camiye derketin... They go, they stay at the mosque. They come out of the mosque...
L' halê yek ji evda dipirse. They ask about each other's condition.
-iz bi pirsa, ha wilo tiştek haw dibê, tiştek wilo, cemaet e... ...I'll ask her, she'll say something like this, something like that, she is a crowd...
ha... cemaet e yanî. ewa... pirin ha wilo. Yes, she is a crowd, I mean. They are... a lot like that.
Xoce ji me re qala xwendinê bike. Teacher, tell us about education.
Wê demê xwendin, mekteb li vir hebû, dibistan? At that time, was there reading, was there a school here?
Awa bû, destpêkê çi dixwendin berî dibistan hebe? How was it, what did they read/study at first before there were schools?
Em selef... teb'en sala 1900, 45 - 46 a, sûriyê serxwebûna xwe girt. Our ancestors... well, in the year 1945-46, Syria gained its independence.
Em selef diçûn ber xoce. Before that, we would go to the religious teacher (xoce).
Em çi bikin? teb'en yanî em hîç tişt nakin. What did we do? Well, we didn't do anything else.
Em diçûn Elîfbê li ber medê aliman dixwend, xwedê rehma xwe lê bike, wefat kirine. We would go study the alphabet with the scholars, may God have mercy on them, they have passed away.
Piştî Elîfbê... paşê, cizê emme û bişta tebareke û em pê re diçûn heta xitmekê... After the alphabet... then the Amma part [of the Quran], then the Tabarak part, and we continued until a full reading of the Quran.
Erê. Ev xoce hûn ji xwarinê diçûn, "amîne" ji we re dikirin? Yes. For this teacher, did you bring food, did they perform the "Amin" ceremony for you?
Dibirin ku? Amîne. Where did they take [you]? For "Amin".
Çi ye ewa? What is that?
Ewa amîne, bihaqek biçûk dibirin. Di gerandin. That "Amin", they would take the young child. They would parade him around.
Neşîde digotin, qeçko li pey "amîn" dikir. They would sing nasheeds (Islamic songs), and the child would follow saying "Amin".
Wê malekê tiştek eke elekê bida. Yanî girûnek ba, ginebxwerek ba, hêlînek ba, çi ba yeke pêda. And the household would give whatever they had. I mean, it could be a coin, a bit of bulgur, an egg, whatever they had.
Wefadarek dibû. Xwendinek min heye, meselen, yê min heye. It was a sign of loyalty. I had a reading, for example, I had one.
Diçûn mala min re, yan hevalek diçû mala min re, yan gundiyek diçû mala min re... berê çadir dertê nebû. They would go to my house, or a friend would go to my house, or a villager would go to my house... there were no tents before.
Xitmek quran eke ele bixwanda... A complete reading of the Quran, they had to read it...
Kesê xwendinê ku diqedand... The person who finished the reading...
Ele ke bixwanda yanî xitmek quran eke ele xitim kira nuha. Absolutely had to read it, meaning they absolutely had to finish a complete reading of the Quran now.
Hevalên wî yê nav gundî tev di kirin rabûn diçûn ha... His friends in the village would all get up and go...
Dengê quranê dihat... The sound of the Quran would come...
Dihat me... It would reach us...
Xoce hem aliman dibûn, hevalê wî ne jî sibeha wî ne jî wê ke bixwînin quranê. The teachers were scholars, and his friends would also read the Quran the next morning.
Sibe wî ne ji we hevalê wî ne jî me eke ele bixwenda. Tomorrow, his friends and we also had to read it.
Yanî heta tiştek li cem me hebû, fena kino qisûrê me ra ne ya eke were min ... ew wele xoce da. I mean, until we had something, like a flaw, if there was a shortcoming, we had to go... well, the teacher would hit us.
Kû em tişkî em bi xoce dem, lo xoce da, eceb xoce dixitme bixwîne... ji me re If we didn't give anything to the teacher, oh the teacher would hit us, wondering why the teacher reads the complete Quran... for us.
Diqane ne xwendiyan. He would hit the ones who didn't read.
Em werin ser dibistanê. Dibistan çaxê ava bû? Da ku te berî got, berî dibistanê çi hebû hûn diçûn ber xoce. Let's come to the school. When was the school built? Because you said before, what was there before the school, you went to the teacher (xoce).
Dibistan çi wextê ava bû? When was the school built?
Dibistanê em diçûn. We used to go to the school.
Li gundê we dibistan salê çenda ava bû? In your village, what year was the school built?
Dibistan... nuha meselen xoce, ba'dî mekteb derketin, xoce neman. The school... now, for example, the teacher, after the schools appeared, the teachers (religious ones) were no more.
Xoce neman. The teachers were no more.
Yanî dema xew wekî... ê mektebê bu xoce jî... I mean, their time... the school became the teacher too...
Ha ev wekî nuha em sê meha eke ele bixwendina wek... Oh, it's like now, we had to read for three months...
Neheme di herin mektebê... sê meha... diskinin. Mekteb yanî.. erê. We don't all go to school... three months... they stop. School, I mean... yes.
Ew cihê we bûn, lê bi paşê mekteb çêbûn... Those were your places, but later schools were built...
Salê çenda de ava bû? In what year was it built?
Ew welleh salê... Well, the year...
Gerek e 40-80 bi, gelek yanî. 1940-80, li vî gundî ava bû. It must be '48, a lot I mean. 1948, it was built in this village.
Teb'en, me di camiyê de silef xwend, camî, ortê bi quntbolok girê nedan, qapî xerbî vekirin, rihlet kirin. Of course, we previously studied in the mosque, they divided the middle of the mosque with mudbricks, they opened the western door, they made desks.
Paşê, di kêlek camiyê de malek malê fayiq e, di gotin, gora kirin mekteb. Then, next to the mosque, there was a house of Fayiq, they said, they turned it into a school.
Mamosteyê me ji hec xelîl hat, mamosteyê gund tunebû. Our teacher came from Hajj Khalil, there was no teacher from the village.
Mamoste gund tune bû. There was no village teacher.
Mamoste gund tune bû, ji hec xelîl xwedê rehma xwe lê bike.. erê. There was no village teacher, from Hajj Khalil, may God have mercy on him... yes.
Paşê, bi zemanê ra, mekteb çê bû... di çûm mektebek piçûk yanî, ta şahadê, heta sefa pêncan bû. Then, over time, a school was built... I used to go to a small school, until the certificate, until the fifth grade.
Nuha, min, heta du salan ez çûm efrîn. Now, I... I went to Afrin for two years.
Mektebê keramet tenê hebu, li efrîn. Mekteba kerame ma li ku ye xwend? Mihemed Elî Xoce, û Ustad Şewket Henan. There was only Karame school in Afrin. Where did I study in Karame school? Mihemed Eli Xoce, and Mr. Shawkat Hanan.
Ji tilef e, mihemed elî xoce, ji biabû ye... hevalê min bûn... He is from Tilef, Mihemed Eli Xoce, from Biabu... they were my friends...
Xelîl Efendî ji qucuma midûrê mektebê bû. Xelil Efendi from Qucuma was the principal of the school.
Teb'en, efrîn wê çaxê edet e... yanî sed mal tene bû. Sed mal tene bu. Of course, Afrin at that time, usually... I mean there were only a hundred houses. There were only a hundred houses.
Ev salê çenda da bû? What year was this?
Ev salê... salê 49-50. 49-50 refa çara min xwend. This year... year '49-'50. '49-'50 I studied in the fourth grade.
Du salan li efrîn... erê. Two years in Afrin... yes.
Xalo wê berê pirtûk hebûn. We pirtûk dixwendin? Xeyrî xwendina mektebê. Pirtûk pirtûk... Uncle, were there books before? Did you read books? Other than school reading. Books...
Ew wext, paşê însan baliyê bû hema pirtûk da destê me... At that time, after a person grew up, they just put books in our hands...
Yanî... I mean...
Di xwendin, wilo wilo pirtûk min hene... pirtûk, ser dîrokê, dendikî, ser pir tiştan we dixwend? You read... like, 'I have books'... books, about history, seeds, did you read about many things?
Weleh min ne xwendiye am wekî gotî na. By God, I haven't read as you said, no.
Xwedê emrê te dirêj bike xalo... sihetke te xweş be. Em gelek spas te dikin. May God prolong your life, uncle... may you be healthy. We thank you very much.
Spas Thanks.
Merheba Xaltî. Hello Auntie.
Ehlen wa sehlen. Welcome.
Xwe nas bike navê te çîye? Introduce yourself, what is your name?
Navê min Fatme Wehîd e. My name is Fatme Wahid.
Ser çava. Nice to meet you.
Serê çavê we da. Nice to meet you too.
Xaltîka Fatmê ez te pirs kim ji me ra behsa jiyana te ya kevin bikî. Aunt Fatme, I will ask you to tell us about your past life.
Yanî berî vê çil salî, pêncî salî da hûn çawa dikirin. We çi kar dikir? I mean, forty, fifty years ago, how did you do things? What kind of work did you do?
Weleh yabo berê pezê me hebûn, şixrê me hebûn... By God, son, in the past we had sheep, we had chores...
me pez di dot, me pez dikir şîkete, me pez didot sibê berbangê... We milked the sheep, we processed the milk, we milked the sheep early in the morning...
Em radibûn me em dikir. Ev meîşeta berê bû. We would wake up and do it. This was the livelihood in the past.
Me dew dikela, me penêr çêdikir... ev bû yanî... We boiled buttermilk, we made cheese... this was it, I mean...
Karkirî ha wisa bûn, karkirî keçik wî çaxî pir derdixistin? Was work like that, did they take girls out to work a lot back then?
Yanî te digot keçikek herê pez heyet, diyalik e ku herê karê malê heyet... I mean, you would say a girl should go tend to the sheep, a girl should go do housework...
Keçikên we di nava erdê diçûn di nava dar e... çandinî der... Did your girls go into the fields, among the trees... for farming...
Hûn çawa vî karî radibûn? Ma nedigotin ev e? How did you do this work? Did they not say this was [hard]?
Ê çetin bû... çawa ne çetin bû. Êdî niha wek tiştî nizanin. It was hard... how could it not be hard. Now they don't know anything.
Niha wê çaxê me giş kar dikir, û me di bera jî em diçûn giştan... At that time, we all worked, and besides that, we would go everywhere...
Em diçûn çolê jî, me pez jî li çolê didot... We went to the wilderness too, we milked sheep in the wilderness...
Me ga jî dihanî... me bistan jî dikirin. Yanî karê berê ha wisa bû... pir çetin bû. We also brought oxen... we also tended gardens. I mean, the work in the past was like that... it was very hard.
Saet çendê hûn radibûn wê heyamê? What time did you wake up back then?
Em saet xocê sibê radibûn. We woke up at the morning call to prayer.
Xocê sibê em pê re radibûn, me pez em kiribû, me sobê xwar kiribû... me çayê qeçka ber dabû... va xwarin o we xwar... û pez berdan, em ketiye binî ji kariyê hûndir kirin... ev hewş e. We woke up with the morning call to prayer, we tended to the sheep, we had lit the stove... we had poured tea for the kids... this one ate, that one ate... and let the sheep out, we got to the bottom of the indoor chores... this is the yard.
Û dotinê pê destê we diêşiyan. Gelek e bi destê we dotinê. And your hands must have hurt from milking. Milking so much by hand.
Çiqa pez hebû ye? Pezê we. How many sheep did you have? Your sheep.
Heşta dawarek bû. There were about eighty head of livestock.
Dawarekî, ne pir rû bi rû we dotine we şîr... One livestock [meaning a large flock], didn't you milk them face-to-face... milk...
Lê rû bi rû. Yes, face-to-face.
Heşta daware, rû bi rû. Eighty head of livestock, face-to-face.
Me em kir û av da û bi dot û şîr bi meyin da û penêr kir û... yanî el mûhîm ev heyatê me bû weke... We tended, gave water, milked, fermented the milk, made cheese and... I mean, importantly, this was our life...
Çend saetan te dikişand heta te dotin xelas dikir? How many hours did it take until you finished milking?
Ê qey şeş saet yek, saet dudu yek te diçû. Maşelleh... Well, maybe one at six o'clock, one at two o'clock it would take. Mashallah...
Eerê lê... em e'limî bûn. Yes, but... we were used to it.
Û amedekirinên we li şîva deran, paşê şîv çawa dikirin? And your preparations for dinner outside, how did you make dinner then?
Me şîv jî li ser êgir dikir... We cooked dinner on the fire too...
Xazê we tunebûye wê çaxê? You didn't have gas then?
Hebû, kêm bû. We did, it was rare.
Meselen... me şîvê giran giş li ser êgir dikirin... avek germ giş li ser êgir bû, kincan dişûn ser êgir bûn, heyat niha rintir bûye. For example... we cooked all heavy dinners on the fire... all hot water was on the fire, washing clothes was on the fire, life is better now.
Niha xesalê otomatîk... ava hazir germ kirî ye, ev behasîn e, bêrîk ji karî jinê ji berê nakin êdî nikanin bikin... ha wilo... yanî heyatê berê pir çetin bûye. Now automatic washing machines... hot water is ready, this is easier, they don't do the work women used to do in the past, they can't anymore... like that... I mean, life in the past was very hard.
Te got seyek qeçkan jî da nedikir. Qeçkê tînê... wê mêr kirî ew derkirî... You said even a dog wouldn't endure it for the kids. Bringing kids... getting married and raising them...
Ew hîn dibin pey te dihatin? Neke tu jin e bi qeçik jî... karê van wê çawa dikir... Would they still follow you? It's not like you're a woman with a child... how did she do their work...
Ê yarim qeçkê berê ne wekî nuha bûn. Well, my dear, children in the past weren't like they are now.
Qeçkê berê... te li vir di dana mî di dîna çî şêke. Children in the past... you would put them here, look at what she's doing.
Heta êvarê min karê xwe xilas dikir do nediketim. Until evening, I would finish my work, I wouldn't stop.
Do nediket... She wouldn't stop...
Yanî we tehlîm dibûn... Edî niha dêyek radibe li pey barmilê, bar direve qeçkê berê pir rind bûn... û pir jî çûk bûn min dikir darê cacimê min diamit girê dida û min wate xwe dîn dikir. I mean, they were trained... Now a mother gets up after a barrel, a load runs away, children in the past were very good... and they were very small, I would tie them to the wood of the rug loom, and I would do my own things.
Ewa çend salê wan dibû te wisa dikir... qeçik. How old were they when you did that... kids.
Qeçik? Yek salî bû. The kid? Was one year old.
Yek salî deh mehê... di darê cacimê da bû ez ê kê xwe jê re werkim.. min şad dikir emûdî. Û me girê dida, maneyê xwe tev li karê me nekin. One year, ten months... she was at the loom, what should I do for her... I was setting up the vertical loom. And we tied her, so she wouldn't mess up our work.
Şîvên we pir li vir darê dikin, çine? You cook dinner with wood a lot here, what is it?
Şîvê li darê... dolmeyan e, sermeyan e... Dinner on the wood fire... dolma, sarma...
Şeşperek in... Manti (shushbarak)...
Meqlûbe ne... evana şîvên giran in. U şîvên sivik jî adî ye, çi çêkê basterma ye, çi çêkê germî ye, çi ye... şîvê da nûkîn e... yanî ev yek... Maqluba... these are heavy dinners. And light dinners are ordinary, whatever you make, basterma, whatever you make, soup, whatever... dinner is fresh... I mean, this one...
Û hûn berê dibistanê darê diçûn? And did you go to school in the past?
Av na ko min tê de min naxwend. No, I didn't study there.
Qeçek jî li cem min tune ne. Ev tenê min me keçe, min wisa nêzîkî xwe çêkim bixwim, wilo ko min kar ki, bikim. There are no kids with me either. Just me and this girl, I should make her close to me so I can eat, so I can work, do it.
Tê xwendinê berê kiriye an noka tu dixweze bikî? Did you study before or do you want to do it now?
Noka ko kû canê min îdi di kefe... lenî hesreti min dimîne...sist bûne nuha. Xwendinî berê am şixulin e, emrî min de û pênc salî bû em hatin vê malê, ez şuxulim û heta berî vê emê asmaye. Now my body is giving out... but the longing remains... they are weak now. Studying in the past, we were working, my age was 15 years old we came to this house, I worked and until before this asthma.
Xaltîka be berê gundî çîrok qîzikan di xwendan... çîrok... mektebê gund... Auntie, in the past did villagers read stories to girls... stories... the village school...
Serok? Na giya... mektebê jî... hebû, bes gundiyê me yanî qîzik... eyb dibûn bi çûna... Leader? No, all... school too... there was, but our villagers, I mean a girl... it was shameful for her to go...
Eyb e. It's shameful.
Yekyek di nav de diçûn, digotin eyb e qîzek te xwe diçe mektebê. Ewa wa diçûn... One by one they went among them, they would say it's shameful your girl goes to school. Those who went...
Noka makteb li gund baş dîya, digotin ew neçê, ma nexwînin. Now the school in the village seemed good, they said she shouldn't go, they shouldn't study.
Erê, li gund e bi, bas ne nuha. yanî berî vê 25 sala... Yes, it was in the village, but not now. I mean 25 years ago...
Sê salî... em bi diçûn gundan... û me... Three years... we used to go to the villages... and we...
Qîz o naxwendin darb wekin. Girls wouldn't study back then.
Lı mekteba gund dexwandin me xilas dibî na di şander va bes vederê jena xewindin. We studied in the village school, we finished, no they would send her but only to study here.
Mektebê gund jiyan nedixwestin biçin? But school
Mektebê gund jiyan nedixwestin biçin? Did the village school girls not want to go?
Nediber jinan dixwendin. Pêre kç diçûn. They didn't let the girls study. Few girls went.
Yanî 20 qeçek lawik bin, 5-6 jê qîzik bûn. For instance, if there were 20 boys, 5-6 of them were girls.
Zêde nedixwendin. They didn't study much.
Ji de çend nakna di mezinan de. Ya nedixwendin mekteban. Edî nakna meraqê xwer ser mekteban. Some of the older ones. They wouldn't study in schools. Then they started to get interested in school.
Malên xwer difiroşin dikirin qaçakên xwer dişinin mekteban. Edî berê ne wisa bûn. They would sell their belongings and send their kids to school. In the past, it wasn't like this.
Wane niha sêlê te kir? What did you make with the pan?
Wane ta nanê re? What?
Wane ta nanê re? For the bread?
Erê. Nanê sêlê ne ya tenûrê ne? I... ser sêlê. Yes. Pan bread isn't tandoor bread? I... on the pan.
Ha, ew başqeye ha wû başqeye. Oh, that's different and that's different.
Erê tenûr başqeye. Yes, the tandoor is different.
Çawa? Mebîna yekê ti yê du bavî? Cudahî? Em bêjin. How? Is there a difference between the two? The difference? Let's say.
Mebîna... tenûrê... wekî xweneye, wekî buxarîye, çi de ye. The difference... the tandoor... like it's its own, like a steam one, whatever is in it.
Min dîtin ser an... ev golik min dîtin ser golik, min dîtin ev golik lî... evnanî tenûrê ye. I saw them on... these round ones I saw on them, I saw these round ones... this is tandoor bread.
Tamê kê wê xwaştire? Whose taste is better?
I tenûrê xwaştire. The tandoor is better.
Û êdin jê... sêlê jê... ser têxte. Me mezin dikir û me ser têxte dipeşxast. And the other one... the pan one... is on a board. We made it big and spread it on the board.
Ê tenûrê başqeye û sêlê başqeye. The tandoor is different and the pan is different.
Sêlê başqeye. Tu zanî herdukan çêkî? The pan is different. Do you know how to make both?
Ê tenûrê nizanim. Ê sêlê zanim. I don't know the tandoor. I know the pan.
Yek tenûr bi rûtgundî me de tinne bûn. We didn't have a tandoor in the village.
Bes e melekê yê kaxka diçûn lê dikirin. Only when going to make cookies for angels.
Çi we kaxka dibere? What did you take cookies for?
Aneka... aneka mezin hebûn... hevîra xamîra dikirine. Like... they were big... they made the dough.
Çê dikirin... berê digotin qaçakên heta... hawnan di tenûrê da dikirin, bes nan gî sêlê bûn cem me. They made... in the past they said children even... they made bread in the tandoor, but only pan bread was at our place.
Tî nanê sêlê dikir an a? Did you make pan bread or not?
Na. No.
Fırın hene... orteki ye... L'êdê an li derawa çi dikir? Cejna Qurbanê, bêjin... Cejna Remezanê. There are ovens... middle one... For Eid or outside, what did you do? Eid al-Adha, let's say... Eid al-Fitr.
Ê... cejnê... î Qurbanê xwa ev dikirin. Well... for Eid... of Adha, they made this.
Û nanê xwe dikirin. Hesabê xwe, î du ro, sê ro nanê xwe dikirin. And they made their bread. Their account, they made bread for two, three days.
Û qurban jê... zêdetir... bela dikirin. Berrada der tinne bûn. And the sacrifice... more... they distributed. They didn't have refrigerators.
Gût berrada çe bînin û bînin? Gî belav dikirin. What meat would they put in the fridge? They distributed all of it.
Xwiltîk wîçaxnasî... şîvê wa... tiştî we... xira nedibûn! Aunt, in those days... your dinner... your things... wouldn't go bad!
Berrada tinne ye. There was no fridge.
Wa çawa dikir... Şîvê wekî em bêjin... hurte şîvek kir... man... te çawa radikir, xira nedibû? How did you do it... Dinner, as we say... you made dinner... it stayed... how did you store it, didn't it go bad?
Êdê... berî me... dikirin bin selaka. Seleka hebûn wane. In the past... before us... they put it under baskets. We had baskets like that.
Wekî berrada bûn... hênik bûn. Dikirin bin... şîvê du berê qeçek hûr bûn... They were like fridges... they were cool. They put under... for dinner before, kids were little...
Çiqas diman ku bibîne sibe didî? Gî wera diçûn. How much was left to see the morning? All of it was eaten.
Qeçek hûr tiştî dixwin... Little kids eating things...
Erê... Yes...
Û avê? We av çawa dikir? And water? How did you handle water?
Av... berê bîrek li binê gund hebi... Me diçû j'wê bîrê dianîn... Barê ha... Binê gund bî... diçûne dewênî... Water... before there was a well below the village... We would go fetch from that well... Carried it... It was below the village... going to fetch it...
Hêva jinan diçû dianîn? Did only the women go fetch it?
Erê... jinan, lê! Yes... the women, what else!
Wa... ji be... çi di... dertixistin j'bîrê? How... from the... what did they... pull it out of the well?
Bi sûtlan... Bide wile... me dertixist... Me dikir... teneka. Me danîn ser... sê çar cara xelk diçû. Û wekî nana çima ew tu tinne bî, ku av firare? With buckets... Oh God... we pulled it out... We filled... cans. We put them on... people went three or four times. And like bread, why wouldn't you have any, when water flowed?
Roda nedikil... xwa dinan çar tenekê dîn ha... dor da bisekinin. They didn't lock... they put four cans here... waiting in line.
Em bê, dor diket... jilawê we û diket derawa, we weçawa dikir? We say, it got in line... your clothes and went outside, what did you do?
Dibirin ber golê. Golê hewe? They took them to the lake. Is there a lake?
Yê na... limala nediştişt? Didn't you wash at home?
No... Gî ax bû... gî ax bûn. Dibirin ber... gelê... Gelê gund me'kum bî... diçûn vira diştiştin. Heta sêrkş diçûn ewir diştiştin. No... It was all dirt... all dirt. They took to... the valley... The village valley was known... they went there to wash. Even the heads they went to wash there.
Belê. Yes.
Êdî berê ha ye. Nedgunehiya nakna da e berê ye. It was like that in the past. The innocence of those days.
Û... wextê dawatek we çawa dikir? We çi tişt... perî dawetê hazir dikir, gava qîzekek ji mala xwa derxistin, derbiketin... And... when there was a wedding, what did you do? What things... did you prepare for the wedding, when taking a girl out of her home...
Êdê ha wekî qîzekek derxistin, mesele cêhêzê qîzikê daw didagirtin... Û xidanê lawik ji terxaleyê xwe dikirin. Û cêhêz dihatin dibirin bi def û zurne. So when taking a girl out, for example, they packed the girl's dowry... And the groom's side did their part. And they brought the dowry with drum and zurna.
Û dawet ji li viderê dikirin pîşpîşî mala me... Ê dawerkiyê xwe barê nû şarje kirine, keşkek dikirin. And they had the wedding here around our house... The guests loaded their new things, made keşkek.
Çiye keşkek? What is keşkek?
Keşkek... xwarina wê dawetî cînek giyo... e ney lorê xistin e... goştî kelî... û mesele riz û ferîke... Keşkek... the food of that wedding, a woman's food... they mixed it... boiled meat... and for example rice and bulgur...
Belê. Yes.
Edîn a... tirşê... e reskaran e we mîvan a giyake bata bi xwure, ewa keşkek pîçeke. And... sour... making for the guests everything they can eat, that keşkek is a little bit.
Ha, tişte neme yê noqo. Ha, what you said isn't left now.
Na... hawa tişta neme. Hawa gi ebereya... nan naknana niha. No... those things aren't left. Those were all the past... not the breads of now.
Belê. Yes.
Erê wele ha wisa e. Yes by God, it's like that.
Û l'miriyo... wekî bare... we şîv dikir... hazir hebû... tine bî... And for the dead... like carrying... did you make dinner... was it ready... there wasn't...
Barêş gî şîv bîn. Çer miriya gî şîv bîn. Ê nakna gi caîze... Xwara nakin. Back then it was all dinners. For the dead it was all dinners. Everything is permitted now... They don't do it anymore.
Xwera nan nakin? Şîvê wan li miriya dikir... Çi bê, wek çî? They don't make food? What dinner did they make for the dead... What was it, like what?
Te nibilxur bû... riz bûn... kêkêşe bû... tirş bû... Şivistana tirşê fesla bû. Havînê... mesele... ...e fasûlîya e'şk bî... havînê... mesele... tişkî din bardew bî, jajik bî... di dinane... You had bulgur... there was rice... there was cake... there was sourness... In winter there was seasonal sourness. In summer... for example... ...there was bean stew... in summer... for example... there was something else cold, there was tzatziki... they put it out...
Belê. Yes.
Ha wey... yanî... şîvê de berê... ed caîz tinne bîn. That... meaning... for the dinner of the past... it wasn't allowed.
Qene ko xwe ra nakin a ma deran, digure... telefon dikin... hazir dikin... Then since they don't do it themselves, they ask someone outside... they call... they prepare...
E kofteya hato... e kêkoskê dew têkine hazir tinin... ê kaseya têkine... hazir tinin. Pê digrin çadikin. They bring meatballs... they bring bowls of buttermilk ready... they bring bowls ready. They hold it and make it.
We çixnes... sehnêt felîne, wekî na ko... tinene... ezim ne derdo. How much... plates are missing, like no that... there aren't... I am not suffering.
Tinen. Gî belav bûn. Diçû... Firaqa de heloq ne dibin? Çawa halok nayê? There aren't. They all scattered. Going... Don't the dishes get mixed up? How can they not get mixed up?
Berê çiqas... firaq... me hewandan de, me'niyên meriv û... dewato. Na ko qet wanî îsti'mal nakin, gi felîne. Ça bikin? In the past how many... dishes... we had, meaning guests and... weddings. Now they don't use them at all, they're all missing. What should they do?
Xwiltîk, tiştek kete bîra min. Aunt, I remembered something.
Kurum... wekî sipî dikin... Îşek wano bere hebu... tiştek korik wano hebî. Yes...
Kurum... wekî sipî dikin... Îşek wano bere hebu... tiştek korik wano hebî. Kurum... when they wash... There was a job like that before... there was a small blind thing.
Kurum? Kurum?
Kuruma baqir a... wextê binik de zer dibû... derdibû... paqij dikirin... bi çawa... qa lo çî bî? The copper wash... when the bottom got yellow... they took it out... they cleaned it... with what... what was it called?
Ewa qalaycî bû, ewa qalaycî... paqij dikir. That was the tinsmith, the tinsmith... cleaned it.
Hîna hev wextan êna qolîfeda ne? Are they still using tinsmiths nowadays?
Erê... hîn e ye hawe. Qala jiya... Qela dikin, û... îçê sipî dikin... ewa qala ye. Yes... it's still like that. The tinsmith... They tin it, and... whiten the inside... that's tinning.
Wek hîn nakok... qazkêt mezin wano... hene? Like nowadays... big cauldrons like that... are there?
Lî hîn hene... Qazik hene, me'niyê... mastî ke hamondinê, me'niyê... leçaran e... tişti wan re, hîn hene. Et me ji hene, heto na ê hene. Yes, there still are... Cauldrons are there, meaning... fermenting yogurt, meaning... making remedies... for those things, they still exist. We also have them, until now they exist.
Sipasîya ta dikim xwaltik... I thank you, Aunt...
E laf silan. You're welcome.
...sehetê te xoş... me xwest em... herine ser demê berê teva. E laf silan... sere serê çava... seheta te xoş. ...bless you... we wanted to... go back to the old times together. You're welcome... with pleasure... bless you.
Te ji xoş. Bless you too.
Em tenas bikin mamoste? Can we get to know you, teacher?
Eymen Ebdoyim... ev tewalûdê Şamê me... Ev li Şamê mezin bûm, werşê me xeyatê ji hebû... I am Eymen Ebdo... born in Damascus... I grew up in Damascus, we also had a tailoring workshop...
Belê. Em hatin gund... mere gotin ti li viderê ye... di berê li Şamê bî... ti hatî viderê. Yes. We came to the village... they told us you are here... you used to be in Damascus... you came here.
Belê. Yes.
Ta kîrkî dikir... korî ta mufesele... terziye û te noke karikî din dikê. Bixwaze bihesabê wê tiştî bike, ser wê tiştî je mewe bêje. You were doing work... your detailed work... tailor and now you are doing another job. By wanting to account for that thing, tell us about that thing too.
Bixwade bi ahdasên herbê... Sûriyê çêbî me werşê xwe li Şamê ji heşt... U me waki dibin xaniya xwe firotan... em hatin vir e, dexila min bî... By God, with the events of the war... in Syria, we left our workshop in Damascus... And like they say, we sold our house... we came here, it was my income...
Ta ku ber vê çend salan bî? How many years ago was that?
B'il efêno donzde teqrîben... U am hatin minteqê xwe Efrîn... da dêk babki ma di emer mezin bin, em li vir man... Am çûn Tirkîyê, me dîso karê xwe kir. Dîso am ji Tirkîyê hatin, hedid vegeriyan, em nekarîn em bi ftilyana. U bi xwedi em li vir man. Û me pas xwedik... Around 2012 approximately... And we came to our region Afrin... so my parents would be at an older age, we stayed here... We went to Turkey, we did our job again. Again we came from Turkey, boundaries returned, we couldn't handle it. And by God, we stayed here. And we...
Bixwazîn encî behsa karê xwe bike? Şêwaziya wê tiştê? Would you like to talk about your job? The style of that thing?
Karê min bixwe dî... wacile dî, yanî çekê pêrako didirûm. Guh manto ye, go çokate, go daqime, resmî, ga pontrone, we vîzona... elhamdulilah, mesleheta min ditiştî diderim... U ya şirketê ra ji pir şixulî me. My own job... it's urgent, meaning I sew weapons next to it. Whether it's a coat, jacket, suit, formal, pants, or vison... thank God, I manage my profession well... And I worked a lot for companies too.
Te çawa hînî terzîyatê kiriye? Di mekteba da xwendiye an tu... How did you learn tailoring? Did you study in school or did you...
A qeçek bûm bi teqrîben, sefî heftê bîm mekteb berdome û karê xwe kir. Heto ehne ketin ma'hed, defterî min hîn hene ji, ma'hed yek, şeş meha me xwend. Û ma'hed yekî dîn, teqrîben... I was a kid practically, I left school in seventh grade and did my job. Until we entered the institute, I still have my notebooks, one institute, I studied for six months. And another institute, approximately...
Ma'hedê ji evê? The institute too?
Du meha. Ma'hedê tefsîl e. Bi îzafî ya... em me'alim bûn yanî. Two months. Detailing institute. Additionally... we became masters.
Yanî hem ti xwendî hem ti sere ha we, tene fîz kiriye... So you both studied and executed on that...
Tene fîz kiriye... ma'hed me'ne ya tasmîm, li anne tu tekî bi 'ilmî tefsîle ne bi belaş e. Ne wakî mesel e î am bin, xeyatê ti têkeve pişkekî çûçek e, ez jêrê de... bixwe be'ilmî waşa... bihesab kê derzê, te baş ha rê serê rş... em ve meslehetê ye wêqat kir. U am me'alim bin yanî alhamdulîllah verşe ma jî hebî... E pê wêre me care tefsîle wlhamdulîllah wa dauratê jî dêm, û dauratê gund, mentiqê efrîn, mîda wî şewabê binim mîfesale alhamdulîlah. Executed... the institute means design, because when you detail scientifically, it's not for nothing. It's not like for example, us tailors dropping a small piece, I'm under it... learning scientifically... accounting for the needle, you nicely put the thread... we specialized in this profession. And we became masters, thank God, we had a workshop too... After that, we detailed, thank God, and I give courses too, and courses in the village, Afrin region, giving youths detailed lessons, thank God.
Belê. Wextî tu vegeriyayî hatî Efrîn... te çi kar kir? Yes. When you returned and came to Afrin... what job did you do?
Bixwe da mêz pest xwedik. I was idle.
Çima? Why?
Imkanîye mi tinnabî yê yê warşew dar, tu zanê... bimar e jê şiki, Yanî... heta hewşit ma, du hewşin lim şamê biyin a yak alheleb... û wafat jî çebî, him dêk em û him bavkî mi hardik rehma tik bin, û ela asas yonî hûrû û siba ya amê dîso biftilin şamê, ya aheherin halabê meselan, dîso am kori xwe bikin. U dîso afrîn awarşe ha nedarim deşoxilim... no no şoxilim. I didn't have the possibility for a workshop, you know... it's also risky, I mean... even our yards, two yards were in Damascus and one in Aleppo... and deaths happened, both my parents passed away, and basically today and tomorrow we might return to Damascus, or go to Aleppo for example, to do our work again. And again, I'm not running a workshop in Afrin to work... no, I'm not working.
Balê, basekê de... ba kwarî pêş me wqet, Yes, sometimes... previous job temporally,
e bakidim bi kwarî pez... wqet. Yanê hatî qorek ji rantî rû firesetik radike hote vî gundî yonî... vaqibd ebin. yeah previous job temporally. Meaning until someone finds a way or opportunity here in this village, you know... they stay.
Çend sale ta pes havon de? How many years have you been idle?
Bo xoda abê dev çor salan e. Dabo çor salê vara dexavîne. By God, around four years. He's been resting for four years.
Ta zehmetî dî... dema te karî ta li şamê bî û tanako hot gind û best xe wind. You faced difficulties... when your job was in Damascus and now you came to the village and stayed idle.
Bixwe... erê çatine. yonî êsonî bojêr... yorî ba zraet nekorê xayîyo wes jî nako rîyo ba sowoyîcok kir. Indeed... yes, it's hard. meaning a city person... or someone into farming, someone doesn't do it, and someone does farming.
ji kofe awoy pez hawd bîreyto... since when did you remember resting...
Boxed a... ha wacî wektibe morekuk bî. ka he wa a. Mhe wud. Heve solê çendote bîn? Mxe de bi dolçorso live ro dîhovîne. Ya nijnekî jom xîznetê dekav wa qeçekî jîhuzkin wa jîdexwînin. By God... it was like an interest. It's like that. I wanted it. How many years was this? From Damascus to here, taking a rest. Sometimes wives serve and kids enjoy and study.
Te avdare bxidonet worşeti o.. You were watering with a bucket here..
yono xoşm korm... hete noko koram... meaning my job is nice... even now my job...
kor tona ka... do no go kxabre jo mheyo, a mxe kax... heşo wâlêm.. xşo wlêm. E frîn pxşo wlin, your job wasn't done... until I have the experience, I want... they get tired.. they get tired. Afrin people get tired,
nono pir won midkin, meslen, wero keriti heyi modelke cotim bî dari bî ykire, dornego pe bwone ka, eywkê den şome bî... no they expect a lot, for example, if there's an old model nicely made with wood, don't say you can't, it was like Damascus...
No. şome jvrin tero. yanekm kma êşe û km ma'ş û kom mesela am bîn No. Damascus left it. Meaning whether living and salary and for example we are
kepore vircê te ne, wir.. yono zahmt o heye... wh şxlê vir epor cinse îma jî şxlê me tagv... cekê jnone kmodo guçok o dokome... seo qat tyorme ewe ji am çone hewli nehewi mo'ne mozk hom ondine monê loçoron tştî won hîn ho no. otm eji wonê hete no hw no. some exist here, there.. I mean there is difficulty... and the work here is cheap we also all our work... women's clothes like a coat or a suit... three pieces we prepare that too we went around trying meaning bananas brought meaning around those things still there. there is to me until now there is.
...jinan be, an ê zilaman be. Û karkok û brûtêlan û tiştê han na. Karê me ê parçekirinê ha ye. ...whether it's for women, or for men. And a coat and overalls and things like that, no. Our tailoring work is this.
Û berî wê yanî eger munasabeyekî îdê nêrozê hebî, an dergîstîkî hebî... And before that, I mean, if there was an occasion of the Eid of Newroz, or there was an engagement...
Belê. Yes.
Digot heke daqmekî pêşmerga, meselen, bikirim. They would say, if I buy a set of Peshmerga clothes, for example.
Çûm min pirs kir bi heştî dolar. Hm.
Çûm min pirs kir bi heştî dolar. I went and asked, it was eighty dollars.
Çûm min ji xwe ra qumaş kirrî, û min tefsîl kir û min qut kir... û min ji xwe ra dirût û li xwe kir. I went and bought fabric for myself, and I tailored it and cut it... and I sewed it for myself and wore it.
Cem te li malê ew tiştok heyet, tu kanî çêkî? Do you have those things at home, can you make them?
Werşeyek li vir, li Efrînê, li gundekî, bi şixulê cînzan. Min ji xwe ra tefsîl kir, tiştî gelek ji xwe ra kir, û min ji xwe ra dirût û li xwe kir. A workshop here, in Afrin, in a village, working with jeans. I tailored it for myself, I did a lot of things for myself, and I sewed it for myself and wore it.
Û daqimê camêrê ha jî şixulî min e... î Şamê ye mandî bûye, ketiye cînzan, ha jî camêr li vira ye. And this gentleman's suit is also my work... he is from Damascus, he was tired, he wore jeans, this gentleman is here.
Em kanin bêjin sen'eta destî te de heye û mewehebe heye, bes imkaniyetên maddî zeîf in. We can say you have the handcrafting skill and the talent, but the financial capabilities are weak.
Imkaniyetên maddî zeîfa. Ev şoreşa ha derxistiya. Bixwedê em hîş mîsekin in. Financial capabilities are weak. This revolution brought it out. By God, we are still waiting.
Çi tişkî îmkaniye çêbe, ti intilaq bikî... If any capability arises, you would launch...
Heke îmkaniye çêbe intilaq bim, welleh mustaeddim yanî. Jî jê dawreyên tefsîlî meselen, kese jina, malo, ê ku meselen cilê qîçikên xwe bidrûn, ez bi ewê elîmînim. If a capability arises, I will launch, by God, I am ready. Also from tailoring courses, for example, for women, houses, that for example they sew their children's clothes, I will teach them that.
Yanî hem dirûtinê û hem tefsîla ez bi ewa elîmînim. I mean, I will teach them both sewing and tailoring.
Belê. Yes.
Elhemdulellah. Niha li masleheta da... werşeyê me hebû, heta niha werşeyekî me li Şamê heye mehî. Thank God. Now in the trades... we had a workshop, even now we have a workshop in Damascus monthly.
Bes teb'en qebûtên mehî, edî nave... But of course monthly coats, I mean normal...
Ti bi nav fikr dikî dîsa vegerî Şamê? Yan jî derkevî ciyekî din? Are you thinking of returning to Damascus again? Or going out somewhere else?
Ya em ê vegerin dîsa Şamê, yan meselen em ê... naha weke dibêjin ev îmkaniyeyê me çîke, hene av bibin, mîsme zeytûna were, eke dikanekê li Efrînê vekim inşallah. Well, we will return to Damascus again, or for example we will... right now as they say this is our capability, let these things be, let the olive season come, if I open a shop in Afrin, God willing.
İnşallah. God willing.
İnşallah, gel xweş bin. God willing, be happy.
Spasiya te dikim. I thank you.
Spas, spas, ehlen û sehlen. Thanks, thanks, welcome.
Saetên te xweş, me xwest em hinekî silavê li we bikin. Em ê serê we ne êşînin. Have a good time, we wanted to greet you a little. We won't give you a headache.
Aaa daxwaza wek dibêje wed'î Sûriyê û herbî û qutkirina rêya, min ismehnade kirî, bilîzofî de gava em pîr bûn. Elhemdulillah. Yanî ev jî rehmetî ye. Ah, the requests as he says, the situation of Syria and the war and the cutting of roads, I was allowed, eventually when we got old. Thank God. I mean this is also a blessing.
Xwedê rehma xwe lê bike. Saetên we xweş. May God have mercy on him. Have a good time.
Ya te jî xweş bî, ehlan wesehlan. You too, welcome.
Selam aleykûm, merheba xalo. Peace be upon you, hello uncle.
Ehlen wesehlen, ser sera û çava. Merheba. Welcome, on my head and eyes. Hello.
Em te nas bikin destpêkê, navê te bi xêr? Let's get to know you first, your good name?
Hemdûş Cemal Reşo, ji Cûqê. Hamdush Jamal Rasho, from Juq.
Naha em li gund bîn... bi me ra gotin li vir derê me'melekî qehwê heye û tiştina çêdikin. Now we were in the village... they told us there is a coffee factory here and they make things.
Em dixwazin behsa vê me'melê bikin. Ev çiye? We want to talk about this factory. What is this?
Bixwedê ev me'mele, dor sê sala me li vir da vekiriye. Ê yekî qehwe diqelûrin. By God, this factory, we opened it here about three years ago. The first one roasting coffee.
Qelûrandin, û hêrandin. Manteqê gî da. Roasting, and grinding. In the whole region.
Bes em diqelûrin. Û hetta naqojî kesî... Efrîn gî da ez im! Kes naqelûrin e. Only we roast. And not even to anyone... I am the only one in all of Afrin! Nobody else roasts.
Me diqelûrin qehwe. Û me mikeserat jî çêdikir, me mihmase daye danîn, yek li kû ye, yek xisûsî jê qehwê ra ye. We roast coffee. And we also made nuts, we set up a roaster, one is there, one is especially for coffee.
Û yek jî dendik û mikeserat û zehter me çêdikir. And one also we made sunflower seeds and nuts and za'atar.
Belê. Yes.
Dendik hemî enwe mikeserat me derdixist. Û teblê felafîl, ev jî me derdixist. Seeds, all kinds of nuts we produced. And falafel spices, we also produced that.
Tiştê mewadê xizaiyê me gî çêdikirin. We made all the food materials.
Te got berî wê çiqas sal bî? You said how many years was it before that?
Ev jê sê salî de... me komir çêdikir. Me'melê komirê elgîrê. Ê yekî di Efrînê de me'melê komirê vekirî ez bim. Before these three years... we were making charcoal. Hookah charcoal factory. The first one to open a charcoal factory in Afrin was me.
Ev berî tenoka we me'mele avakir e? This was before you built this factory now?
Berî wê ra me'mele komirê bû o holatên derve bû. Before that it was a charcoal factory and it was outdoor machines.
Me mekbiz çêkirî bû. Mekbizî ser destî me çêkirî. We had made a press. A press we made by hand.
Berî çend sala da we avakiribû komirê? How many years ago did you establish the charcoal?
Ev ji sala nod û heşta da me vekiribû... nod û neh da. We opened this since the year ninety-eight... ninety-nine.
O me çend salan em pê şixulîn. Û me herin fêde jê nedî. Paşê me quluband mewadê xîzaiyê. And we worked with it for a few years. And we didn't see any benefit from it anymore. Then we switched to food materials.
Pirsik me heye. Çima te quluband? I have a question. Why did you switch?
Di ber malê daye teniyê xwer pir e. Û mesrefê tiştî xwarinê di ber malê da çêtir e. Inside the house, the soot is too much. And the expenses of food materials are better for the house.
Û ji cama min, şagirtî wî çaxê deh, dozdeh zarokan dixebitîn. And for my sake, at that time ten, twelve children were working as apprentices.
Me qulubandin mewadî xizayî û texlîf. Me kûn çelî. We switched to food materials and packaging. We gathered forty.
Ji noka, qîzik û, şebeb û mêr. Çel di şuxulî. From now, girls and, youth and men. Forty were working.
Yanî çil heta hewê re dişuxulî. I mean forty were working until recently.
Belê. Yes.
Em. Yes.
Ev ro bi ro me'mela te... This day by day your factory...
Rûbirû me dest pêdikir, mewadê xizaiyê û me ji kemon û baharata, hemî enwe tiştî xwarinê me gî dikir kîto û me texlîf dikir û difirot. Face to face we started, food materials and we from cumin and spices, all kinds of food items we put them all in bags and we packaged them and sold them.
Te got ev e yekem te Efrînê gî da ye? You said this is the first of yours in all of Afrin?
E yekem e di Efrînê gî da. It's the first in all of Afrin.
Ev fikir ji ku hatibû bal te? Te got ez vegerim ji komirê bi xwaren... Where did this idea come to you from? You said I will return from charcoal to food...
Xwedê ev ji midî... yanî ber malê daye min got komir tişkê xirab e... By God, this was from me... I mean inside the house I said charcoal is a bad thing...
Û divê tiştê ha çêkim, divê ewî kî li menteqê tune bî. And I must make this thing, it must be something that isn't in the region.
Divê ew e ku haçe nakim. Divê tiştê di menteqê tune ez vêkî kim. I must do what isn't done. I must do the thing that isn't in the region.
Tişkî ecêb bî? Was it something strange?
Tişkî tenê, na. Just a thing, no.
Vêce me, nav jî derxistin. Batata û terabîş da min dest bi wê jî kirî. Then we, also made a name. Potato chips and snacks, I started with that too.
Em wana jî çêdikirin. O dendikan jî, niha weke haliyan, em heşt sale çûn bûn Heleb. Em hatin haleta me pir bûn nehindik bûn. We were making those too. And seeds too, now like currently, we went to Aleppo for eight years. We came back, our machines were a lot, they weren't a few.
Me evan ji xwe ra hilandin. We kept these for ourselves.
Holatên we gî çûn, tişkî nema. Ev e niha we dest pê dike. All your machines are gone, nothing is left. This is what you are starting with now.
Me niha çîçek tişt nemaye. Çend ron e. Me dendik derxistin, me batata derxistin. We have nothing left now. It's been a few days. We produced seeds, we produced potatoes.
Me zehter çêkir, o mikeserat, teblê felafîl me çêkir niha we dîbînin. Me fisteq dar çêkir. We made za'atar, and nuts, falafel spices we made as you see now. We made tree pistachios.
Te got ev e niha merhelek e... Paşê vî tiştî tu xilas bikî. Tu didî kê? You said this is now a stage... After you finish this thing. Who do you give it to?
Ewa dere Efrîn dîkonek cimlê bes em teslîmî cimlê dikin, cimlê jî li gunda belav dibin. That goes to Afrin, a wholesale shop, we just hand it over to wholesale, and wholesale distributes it to the villages.
Ka ji me re behsa holato bikin noka, holato çiye... Come tell us about the machines now, what are the machines...
Ê mehmasê dendikoye. Dendik di fistiqan de, dendik tiştan wane gîtî de tên qelirandini. Texmîs dibe. This is the seed roaster. Seeds of pistachios, seeds of all those things are roasted in it. It gets roasted.
Û dare ji vira derdikeve, ser vira xwê lê tê kirin... ti melhe virde dibin li vira. Av û xwê lê dikeve û şor dike û da re paşê... wedê dikeve tora. And then it comes out from here, salt is added on it here... they put some salt here. Saltwater hits it and makes it salty and then later... it goes into the net.
Ev e mikeserate? This is the nuts?
Ev e mikeserate. Ewe jî... This is the nuts. That too...
Ev qehweyê jî tişte di... xû... kêm in. Ewa mihemesa qehweyê bî. Eva qehweyê bî. Û ew ji tebrîdê qehweyê. Ew ji divira ji mihmesê boş dibî, sor dibî, û paqij dikî. This coffee is also things that... are few. That was the coffee roaster. This was for coffee. And that is the coffee cooler. That also from here empties from the roaster, it gets red, and you clean it.
Havê bi çi dişuxule? What does this work with?
Evna, e ser kehrabê. Û arî xû jî mazot e, heraqen in, likin a heraqî xû han in. These, they are on electricity. And its fire is diesel, they are burners, but its burners are these ones.
Belê. Te xwest em bi xînin jê... Yes. You wanted us to turn it on...
Tu kanî ji min re vî xînî ron da? Em kanin vêxin. Can you shed some light on it for me? We can turn it on.
Belê. Yes.
Kehreba li vir te xwe ye? Is the electricity here yours?
Na. No.
Tu dikarî vêxîne ta nîvê. Te kuro derî dîkî hevî. You can turn it on halfway. Boy, you open the door.
Eh, holatê me qehweyê min, ne qewirandiye. Berî vê heşt sala me li vir derê, rûve. Ne dibe, deha dev û diçûn deha, dew û pêçûn deha qehwe me di vê mehmesê de diqelirandin. Eh, my coffee machine hasn't roasted now. Before these eight years we were here, it's a long time. It was not less than ten, two and three went to ten, ten to fifteen sacks of coffee we roasted in this roaster.
Û li virda gî çê dibî û derdikeve, jê vê mahmesê derdikeve û destora me jî şaş bas ê qehwê min lî vira, mi dighêra. And here it's all done and it comes out, it comes out of this roaster, and our order was six buses of coffee here, I would roast.
Ev e qehwê niha ehn muhadded habin wadanî? This coffee, did you bring specific types now?
Medihandî gî Berazîli, xêrî Berazîli me ne dihanî. We brought only Brazilian, other than Brazilian we wouldn't bring.
Te wane ji ko dîhanî? Where did you bring it from?
Me ji Şamê dihaniyan. We brought it from Damascus.
Belê. Ji Şamê... bes niha ve maxmeşe amme çêdekin? Yes. From Damascus... but now we will turn on the machine?
Em e çê nakin, xirab kirine. Em me ecear du tesîlîx deken, heval cînemaye. We won't turn it on, they ruined it. We need to fix it, it's our friend's.
Teştê da jî çûye. Qehwe dikeve di ve robaş de û teştê tenê heye ew qehwe li pêş e, xelate heye li tebrîdê dikeve. Û xelate we habî boş xe. Hewrek rûve bî. The things have gone too. Coffee falls into this roaster and there is a thing, the coffee is in front, there's a mixer, it falls into the cooler. And that mixer mixes well. It stays for a while.
Na em çi di kin... Now what do we do...
Karê te çetine an qolay e? Is your work hard or easy?
Ne çetine, bas xebrete gereke. Ve ne karê ki adî hindir daye, zivistanê hinek xweş e, germe hindir. Havînê jî pencera pa vekirin dîse germe l'hindir de. It's not hard, just needs experience. It's not ordinary work inside, in winter it's a bit nice, it's warm inside. In summer even if you open windows it's still warm inside.
Xalo qet ew ketinî qetix de hene? Uncle, are there any spare parts?
Qetix ê we parene gid hene. There are plenty of spare parts.
Li viderî ye tu zani çêke? Are they here, do you know how to make them?
Lê eh em zanin çêke. Yes, we know how to make them.
Hevo carek eme bi de wisen cê wonin. Mi gavê bi purski. U xeyru wîce we ha îcan ti? We will come another time and see. I asked a moment ago. And other than this what do you have?
Cem min metahin ê ew hebûn e baharatê, şeş metahine di li wêrê hebûn ew mezin bûn ewna tenê ne birin e. Metahine di mezin bûn me ard jî çêdikir, di wexta ez li Efrînê da ard dihat xwestin. Ewna birin e. I had spice mills there, there were six mills there, they were big, they only took those. The mills were big, we also made flour, when I was in Afrin flour was in demand. They took them.
Naha maş cem te evo maibe... Now this is what you have left...
Ne hawna me ji Heleb anîn ev ma ye. Avo tenê mayî. Awa tenê mayî. No, we brought these from Aleppo, this is what is left. Only this is left. Only that is left.
Spasiya te dekim... seati te xweş. I thank you... have a good time.
Ehlan wesahlan ser sera û mecarî e me serkeftin bî... Înşelleh înşelleh rojên we rû ron xweştir bibin... yanî we ew ron veda, tu jê re me wextê te cikerî cayze em e te teswîr kin. Waxtê nezîk... Welcome, on my head, and may we be successful... God willing, God willing your days will be brighter... I mean you shed light on it, whenever you are ready we will film you. In the near time...
Înşelleh bi xwedê... God willing, by God...
Ehlen û sehlen. Welcome.
Merheba xalo, em te nas bikin? Hello uncle, can we get to know you?
Ehlan û sehlan. Ehlan û sehlan. Welcome, welcome.
Navê min Cemîl Mihemed Ebdilrehman e. My name is Cemil Mihemed Ebdilrehman.
Ez ji vî gundî me. I am from this village.
Belê. Em yek pirsekî ji te bikin. Yes. Can we ask you a question?
Xwezî ji me ra behsa alî çandiniyê bikî li vê derê. I wish you would talk to us about the agriculture here.
Li vê derê çi heye, çi tine ye, we çi çandiye, we çi diçand? What is there, what isn't there, what have you planted, what used to be planted?
Çandiniya... eslê xwe ez ji gundê Rêwerê me, di binê gund da ye. Agriculture... originally I am from Rêwere village, it's below the village.
De kerem ke. Please go ahead.
Erê erê. Yes, yes.
Belê, kerem ke. Yes, go ahead.
Mewlîdê min hezar û nehsad û çil û dudu ne. E rastî yanî... My birth year is one thousand nine hundred forty-two. The truth is...
Dema ku gund mezin bûn... çi çêbû... sala hezar û nehsad û pêncî, bayê reş hat. When the village grew... what happened... in the year one thousand nine hundred and fifty, a black wind came.
Zeytûnê herêmê gişt şewitandin. It burned all the olives in the region.
Çi man... ew ê li serî Tila... Kurd a, li derên bilind, belav bûye. What remained... those at the top, the Kurds at the higher areas, they scattered.
Ev Kurdên der û dor gişt şewitandin. The Kurds around the area, it burned them all.
Ev pir mane wekî dar gir e, xaniyên gundên bilind, çawa... evana filitîn. Deşta Cûqê pê da çû. The large trees and houses in the high villages, somehow... they survived. The plain of Juq was wiped out.
Na Cûqê tenê. Not only Juq.
Cûqê, gundê derdor... sala hezar û nehsad û pêncî dar neman. Gişt şewitîn. Juq, the surrounding villages... in the year one thousand nine hundred and fifty, no trees remained. They all burned.
E, gundiyên me filitî çi kirin? Piştî dar şewitîn... zîraetê êdî bi êşan bû... So, what did the surviving villagers do? After the trees burned... farming became a struggle...
Çi kirin? Pembû çandin. What did they do? They planted cotton.
Pembû çandin, avê xane. They planted cotton, with the river water.
Ava bîran dîtibûn, aqarên wan hebûn, ava endî bi guloka reş hebûn, gola bîyê hebû. They found well water, they had lands, they had water with a black pool, a willow pool.
Van golan jî, zemanê der da, sê aş li ber bûn. And near these pools, back in the day, there were three mills.
Aşê yekî jorîn, yekî ortê, yekî jêrîn. One upper mill, one in the middle, and one lower.
Ji Şiyê da, heta Şiyê da gundek dûr e... heta Şiyê da, yanî alimê me dighênê hatin Cûqê. From Shiye, and Shiye is a distant village... from Shiye, meaning all our people reached Juq.
Ma qey te nedît, aş bi avê digeriya. Didn't you see, the mill turned by water.
Mentiqe jî sar e. The region is also cold.
Mahk e, heta ku te arvanê xwe bikira û te derxista çawa bû... zivistan e... gundên dûr da. There is a period, by the time you grounded your flour and got it out, how was it... it's winter... from distant villages.
Daxwazek heye, zeytûn şewitîn, kî çi bikin? Êdî mesele av derketin... There is a problem, the olives burned, who will do what? Then the issue of water came up...
Aşên bi avê, derketin, bi motora... bi derketin bi şûn da... dest bi zîraatê kirin. The water mills emerged, with engines... after they emerged... they started agriculture.
Pembû çandin. They planted cotton.
Pembû çandin, şadeş li dor girê dihat, ji Efrînê dihat, ji gundê der dihat. They planted cotton, a witness was coming from around the hill, from Afrin, from the outer villages.
Cûq tesîr nebû bi şewitandina daran xêr e, bedîl çi bû? Bedîla wê av bû, pembû çandin. Juq wasn't affected much by the burning of the trees, what was the alternative? Its alternative was water, they planted cotton.
Pembû çandin. Belê. They planted cotton. Yes.
Pembû çandin, ji pembû êdî wekî mesela xwe, aşan nema. They planted cotton, from the cotton, like its issue, the mills were no more.
Aşê bîr motora derket li gund çi kirin. Motorized well mills came out in the village, what did they do.
Di hezar û nehsad û pêncî û pêncan da, me sinifa pêncê dixwend aş hebû... me dît yanî. In one thousand nine hundred and fifty-five, we were studying in fifth grade, there was a mill... we saw it.
Belê. Yes.
Piştî wê... êdî pembû derketin dest çelama derketin. Çelam... After that... the cotton emerged, they started planting trees. Trees...
Di çelama ra, êdî dest bi avê kirin. Through the trees, they started with water.
Cîranên xwe dîtin hin diçûn li Libnanê dixebitîn dihatin. They saw their neighbors, some would go work in Lebanon and come back.
Tewiye bû ji çi? Ji der we... anîn, hatin sêv çandin, ermû çandin, hûrme... bi kurmancî hûrme ye yan bi erebî, ermûde ye. There was awareness from what? From the outside... they brought, they planted apples, pears, persimmons... in Kurmanji it's persimmon, or in Arabic, it's pear.
Êdî darber çandin. Mişmiş çandin. Zîraat êdî pêş ket. Bi vî tonî pêş ketin û hatin. Then they planted fruit trees. They planted apricots. Agriculture developed. They advanced and came in this manner.
Hejmara malên gund û çiqas kes li vê derê dijîn? The number of village households and how many people live here?
Malên gund berê, gundê mezin e, Cûqê yek, pişt re du, Şiyê sê... The village households in the past, it's a big village, Juq one, then two, Shiye three...
Ma'melo... Ma'melo dereceya jêr bû. Ma'melo... Ma'melo was a lower degree.
Ev gundên meşhûr berê bi nav û deng ha vana bûn. These famous villages with their names and fame were these.
E noka hejmara malan li vê derê çiqas e? E çiqas derketiye? And now what is the number of households here? How much has it reached?
Wela hejmara noka... noka kêm bûye... ji ber milet wekî noka li ser teqtê ketiye... Well, the number now... now it has decreased... because the people are like they have been cut off...
Em li ser xaniyan deng dikin, çiqas xanî di mal da hene? Hejmara xaniyan? We are talking about houses, how many houses are in a household? The number of houses?
Xanî... xaniyên berê ne, xanî pir in yanî. Houses... they are the old houses, there are many houses.
E giştikî, bi giştî. Generally, in general.
Kî malbata navdar ji vê derê heye? Malbat. Which famous family is from here? Family.
Malbatên navdar li vê derê... Mala Nasro bû... The famous families here... was the Nasro Family...
Paşê Mala Çeqel hatin, paşê Mala Îbûke hatin, paşê Mala Ûsîke hatin... Then the Çeqel Family came, then the Îbûke Family came, then the Ûsîke Family came...
Mala Emaro hatin, malên me hatin, Mala Kêla vêr dibên. Havna ne. The Emaro Family came, our families came, the Kêla Family they call it here. It's these.
Yanî hinek ji fexara der, ji gundên din jî hatin. Yanî kêm bû. Meaning some from outside, from other villages also came. Meaning it was small.
Xalo em pirsikek din jî ji te bipirsim. Uncle, let me ask you another question.
Bipirse. Ask.
Xwarinên berê û noka. Past and present foods.
Ez dixwazim tu cûdahiya wan bêjî, berê mesela we çi dixwar? I want you to tell the difference between them, what did you eat in the past, for example?
Berê, me dixwar: xeyo her malekê dikanek wan, çuwalek bilxur datînan. In the past, we ate: brother, every family had their pantry, they put a sack of bulgur.
Şîr, mast çê dibû. Rûn, dew dikir, sibe radibûn dew dikişandin. Milk, yogurt was made. Butter, they made ayran, they woke up in the morning and made ayran.
Ê gişt ketibûn, na bi dîtin, sê-çar dewarên xwe hebûn. Everything was falling into place, no, by seeing, they had three-four cattle.
Ê berê, û noka çi qewimî? Noka gişt kîmyewî ye. The past, and what happened now? Now it's all chemical.
Gişt semad e, derman e. Lezeta bacanên berê me dixwarin, me dikir basirma me dixwarin, ne wekî ya noka ye. It's all fertilizer, medicine. The taste of the tomatoes we ate in the past, we made them into pastirma and ate them, is not like now.
Ne wekî noka ye. It's not like now.
Zebeşê me dixwar, me didît zebeş e, te zeliq nedikir. Niha zebeşê bixwî tu tamê jê nakî. We ate watermelon, we saw it was a watermelon, you wouldn't get stuck. Now if you eat watermelon, you don't taste it.
Yanî gişt tiştên kîmyewî hatin, ekseriya nexweşiyan jê peyda dibin. Meaning all the chemical things came, most of the diseases are caused by them.
Berê nexweşî kêm bûn ne? In the past, diseases were rare, right?
Kêm bûn. They were rare.
Nexweşiyên berê li çiyê diderket... êdî ew dem demê wî dawî dibûn, ruhê ketibû bozmiş dibû... bokan derdiketin, bokan noka nîne. The diseases of the past would emerge in the mountains... then their time would end, the spirit had fallen and would break down... boils would appear, boils are not around now.
Çiye ew bokan? What are boils?
Batal biderdiketin, di bin qotê da çûn e ev da. They were uselessly appearing, they went under the armpit here.
Li hindik diketin? Did few people get them?
Misara ye, misara ye, hê... bi quwet ketibû, kêm dibû an ev wekî ew... It's contagious, it's contagious, yes... it had hit strongly, it was decreasing or this like that...
Nexweşiyên noka waha bokan ma noka nîne, xêr e, netîce xwarinên noka ne wekê berê ne. Ne wekî berê ne. The diseases of today like these boils don't exist anymore, well, the result is today's food is not like the past. It's not like the past.
E berê, û niha jî, zîraat gişt bi semad e, bi derman e, kîmyewî ye. The past, and now too, agriculture is all with fertilizer, with medicine, it's chemical.
Xalo nexweşiyên berê li Efrînê çi dibûn û we bi çi derman dikirin, te bîra te tê? Çi bûn? Uncle, what were the diseases in Afrin in the past and what did you treat them with, do you remember? What were they?
Nexweşiyên berê, ew berê werem hebûn, mededî pir ew qewl bi wêran e diçûn. Bi erebî dibêjin sil. Bi kurmancî dibêjin wêran. The diseases of the past, in the past there was tuberculosis, it was a very devastating term they used. In Arabic they say "sil" (tuberculosis). In Kurmanji they say "wêran" (devastation).
Ev nexweşiya wê çaxê textor nagihîştibûn... netîce derman jî dîtin. Doctors couldn't reach this disease at that time... eventually they found the medicine too.
Êdî derman derket pir xweş bû ye. Then the medicine came out and it got much better.
Tu noka, te berê jî jiyaye, te noka jî jiyaye, xwedê emrekî dirêj bide te, bi sihetekî xweş bide te. Berê rind bû an niha? Now you, you've lived in the past, you've lived now too, may God give you a long life, with good health. Was the past better or now?
Wela berê ji nahiyê sihî, quwet û zîraatê, ne kîmyewî bû, milet bi quwet bû. Well, in the past from a health perspective, strength and agriculture, it wasn't chemical, the people were strong.
Naha jî wê çaxê jî xwendin tune bû. Now, and at that time, there was no education.
Niha xwendin heye. Now there is education.
Niha xwendin heye, milet yanî waqif bûye, xêr şer zane... Now there is education, the people have become aware, they know good and bad...
Wê çaxê mesela quwet bi sihata beşeriyê da bû. At that time, for example, strength was in human health.
E noka mesela aqil e, xwendin tune bû di nefse wextî da. We çaxê xwendin zeîf bî. And now for example it's intellect, there was no education at that very time. Education was weak then.
Ez pirsê xwe bi awayekî din ji te bikim. Tu berê bi kêf bû an niha bi kêfî? Let me ask you my question in another way. Were you happy in the past or are you happy now?
Ê de berê siheta min rind bî, tebîî ez ê bi kêf bim wela, min digot ez sihet im. Well, in the past my health was good, of course I would be happy by God, I said I have health.
Wê çaxê ez heştê kîlo min radikir, bi destê xwe min radikir barê tiştên din, noka ez deh kîlo nikarim rakim! Back then I used to lift eighty kilos, with my own hands I lifted the load of other things, now I can't lift ten kilos!
Ta ku siheta te kû rind e wê çaxê her tişt rind e. As long as your health is good, then everything is good.
Wekî din, pêşketina noka ji berê çiye? Pêşketin... Otherwise, what is the development of now compared to the past? Development...
Dema berê da ilm tune bû, xwendin tune bû. In the past there was no science, no education.
Melber xoce dixwend, ji meçêtê mekteb dixwend. The mullah, the teacher would study, they studied school from the mosque.
Milet zeîf bû, miwaselat tune bû. Loku der e meş diçû ev derê, birçî dima. The people were weak, there was no transportation. Wherever they went walking here, they stayed hungry.
Yanî pêşketin nîn e, wekî paşketina ew e. Meaning there is no development, it's like a backwardness.
Taliyê ez dixwazim tu nesîhetekî... şîretekî xweş da ciwanên noka ra bikî. Çi nesîhetî weke di bîra te de ye? Finally I want you to give an advice... a good advice to the youth of today. What advice do you remember?
Wela ciwanên noka yanî ez tiştê wan ra nesîhet kim wekî ev tiştê ku heb û meb e dixwin û nizam çi dikin, ewna tewra nakin bi wê... evên bi derdixin û tiştê eha dibînin... ciwanên noka ez naxwazim ev vegerin ev ê. Well, the youth of today, I mean the thing I would advise them is like these pills and stuff they eat and I don't know what they do, they don't behave well with that... those who take them and things like this... the youth of today, I don't want them to turn to this.
Milet pê şêt dabeş xera dabe. The people have become crazy and ruined by it.
Min divê ev tiştê ha ne dîtin. I wish they hadn't seen this thing.
Naxwe li ser heb û raqiyê, wate ergîle... So about pills and arrack, meaning hookah...
Ew erqele... That hookah...
Tu çi dixwazî... What do you want...
Ew tiştên ku ev cîlê noka ra dibe, em naxwazin ewa re. Those things that are happening to this current generation, we don't want for them.
Hewa jî, li pêşerojê me saxt, malê me ev dikir xira dikir. We also, in our past, they searched, our house they did this and ruined it.
Xira dikir. They ruined it.
Hewa jî madî ye, yanî em bi dîtin bû. Also financially, meaning we saw it.
Saeteke bir, li gundê me, li Helebê, birayek bira kuşt, birakî camêr, da xwendê, çû kuşt. Min dîtin e. One time, in our village, in Aleppo, a brother killed a brother, a good brother, he went and killed him for blood (revenge). I saw it.
Tiştekî... di nav razî, saxtiya me dikir jî... Something... in the fields, they were searching us too...
Saxtiya me dikir jî di nav xewê. They searched us even in our sleep.
Di nav beşeriyê me da, ew lid me da... ev tişta îzhar bûye. In our humanity, among our people... this thing has appeared.
Û hemî tiştkî alem... go û cumhe dikir. And everyone was saying and gathering everything.
Wekî min nî ye tenê... milet pirr... bişûnda têveda didin. It's not just me... many people... they push them back.
Hewa tiştan pirr... dijmintiyê ji van tiştan derdixistin, wekî misilman nabin. These many things... they brought out the enmity of this thing, as if they are not Muslims.
Spas ji te ra dikim, saeta te xweş. I thank you, have a good time.
A te jî xweş, avahiya te xweş, û Xwedê we biparêze, we mehefeze ke, saeta we xweş. You too, your building be good, and may God protect you, preserve you, have a good time.
Merheba xaltîk. Hello aunt.
Ehlen wa sehlen. Welcome.
Merheba xaltîk. Hello aunt.
Ehlen wa sehlen. Welcome.
Em nas bikin? Can we get to know you?
Navê min Narîman e, min Mela Mihemed. My name is Nariman, Nariman Mela Mihemed.
Belê. Xaltîka min, ta çi dikan? Yes. My aunt, what are you doing?
Welleh bazariya tiştan. By God, shopping for things.
Jî firotarê ne? Are you selling?
Ê, Xwedê bike. Yes, God willing.
Çi dikin? Çi nakin? Li vir derê te dikanek rûniştin e? What are you doing? What are you not doing? Have you set up a shop here?
Welleh bi xwe ez li ser im, eva jî erebeyek hemse lek e me, min firinmek kirî, hewce em rûniştine kelakî, em sebrê dikin. By God, I myself am on it, this is also a cart of fifty thousand, I bought an oven, we just sit here, we are patient.
Ser çava. Xaltîka te, em di firê de çûyîn, me dî vê mihelê we vekiriye. On my eyes. Aunt, we were passing by, we saw you opened this shop.
Mago em silav lê bikin, pê da werin, em sa kin ev mihal yê te ye na yê te ye. We said let's greet you, come by, let's see if this shop is yours or not yours.
Ehlen wa sehlen. Welcome.
Mihela we ye? Is it your shop?
Erê. Yes.
Û çi didin, difiroşin? And what do you give, sell?
Ê geş e tiştat basîta yanî... Well, just simple things, you know...
Ê tiştên gundan a tizanî, ê fîstanin, kirtikin, binturon in... Village things, you know, dresses, shirts, trousers...
Û bidayên we ji kû tênin? And where do your goods come from?
Efrîn. Afrin.
Ji Efrînê, ji miheleyên Efrînê. From Afrin, from the shops of Afrin.
Kune em hunda cewlekî pê xwedin? Can we take a tour inside with you?
Miheleyê sa kin... Yallah tîk selam. Look at the shop... Come, greetings.
Em bera xwe bidinê. Let's head inside.
Welleh dixe weke bidayên Efrînê tê. By God, it looks like goods from Afrin.
Ev, wê şamê... This, that Damascene...
Yanî mu bes in ne cil û libis. Xefefat û şenatî û keza. Meaning not just clothes and apparel. Slippers and bags and such.
Dîvê darê giya ye? Is it full of goods?
Um. Yes.
Ev a dema me nika vê yalî çi ne evna? And now what are these on this side?
Êk, vir qundiran a. One, here are shoes.
Ev a ye, weledî ne? Are these for children?
Qîçkokan a. For the little ones.
Û vê yalî, em hunda sa kin. And on this side, let's look inside.
Ev hiya am e... hiya jinan a. Bintoron in û... These are ours... women's. Trousers and...
Ev çento bi çî ye xaltîk? Yekî çentê da dinê? How much is this bag, aunt? What if someone buys a bag?
Bi çarî wa ye sê tar o. Tê avê se wulî kasek tî ra fî. It depends, some are four, some are three. It's like whatever the person buys, there is.
Ewe li Efrîn te tiştînê? Do you bring these from Afrin?
Ji cimlê, ji mihele cimlê... From wholesale, from wholesale shops...
Mufereq... Retail...
Welleh hesba. Bes ektera me mihelatî cumle ne. By God, it depends. But mostly our shops are wholesale.
Bes na, tiştan rindik in cem te hene, meana mihal tê tuşêk e. But no, you have beautiful things, meaning the shop is something else.
Na. No.
Û xêrî wî, hîn çî heye? And besides that, what else is there?
Ewe, meselen, bîcemaya xan a. That, for example, is women's pajamas.
Bîcemaya mêran yan e yê jinan a? Men's pajamas or women's?
Yê jinan a. Women's.
Û kura... And the...
Na ev ne şarb in. Evna ewin, cîhazê xedat. No these are not scarves. These are those, dowry equipment.
Ha, qilfêt balgiyan a. Ah, pillowcases.
Ha, qilfêt balgiyan a. Şelat hane, dar hane. Mê. Yes, pillowcases. Shawls are here, trees are here. Come.
Am dema nika em vir sa kin kê derê... ev kî... Now let's see here... who's this...
Ev a jî kincê welediyên a, yê qîçkokan a. These are also children's clothes, for the little ones.
Tê ji am dikanan dikirin ji vê derê? Xelkê gund? Do they buy from these shops here? Village people?
Xelkê gund na. Village people, no.
Çima? Why?
Ma bazariyet tê da nîn e. Xelkê der û dora. Because there is no bargaining in it. People from around.
Ê, firotara te meha çendê te kirin? And your sales, how much do you make a month?
Na, firotin na. No, no selling.
Wê gavê mistewda ye. Then it's a warehouse.
Erê. Yes.
Te go na te na kurin ji cem te. You said no, they don't buy from you.
Na, na. Fereb xelkî re tenane. Kes nikarê tu karî. No, no. Many people are poor. No one can do anything.
Gundê dûr û wa, derê hanê kî difirotin derva difirotin min difînin. Distant villages and such, those places they sold outside they brought to me.
Ê niha çi mehd e me ter û metar al e bîştin. Wekî derarî tina ve kes naker e. And now what a state, we are forced to just sit. Since there's no money, no one buys.
Pere tina ne. There is no money.
Ne peret hene, na? There's no money, right?
Na yeka elê hewalek xwa hate be, teqşe xwati be, sed dolar ce hate be, kî dehe dolar e ji xwa reşke avare yekera. Vakî din em ter naf în. No, only if someone gets a transfer from their family, a piece from their family, if a hundred dollars comes, they spend ten dollars of it for a wanderer. Otherwise we are not going anywhere.
Pirsî din heye. Vê fikrê berê te heye wekî ev mihela firotanê gund veke? Am zane mihelgiyê li Efrînê ve dikin. There is another question. Did you have this idea before to open this shop in the village? We know they open shops in Afrin.
Ê, em tar bûn ê. Yes, we were forced to.
Sebebe zîruf e. Inne meselen, lew yê min em radibûn şixulî, lew yê min har û ware, fî xetûre alê. Har Efrînê war e we nakin e. Reason is circumstances. Because for example, my son, I wanted him to work, my son comes and goes, there's danger to him. Going to Afrin and coming is not possible.
Ê û karik tuneye, meselen em ne pêz firotan dikin, em ne ziraetê firotan dikin, em êdî vir ne. Cinca evan dikim. And there is no work, for example we don't sell sheep, we don't do agriculture, we are just here. I just do these clothes.
Tiştî di tê... tiştî fêm bikî tu kanî... tebdî evîkî. Bes te fêm nakî, tê xesarî kul şî. Things come... the thing you understand you can... exchange it. But if you don't understand, you lose everything.
Saeta te xweş. Spasiya te dikim. Me xwest em ariyekê silavê bi te din. Good time to you. I thank you. We wanted to give you a piece of greeting.
Yallah 100 selame. Ehlen wa sehlen. Come 100 greetings. Welcome.
Belê temaşevananên hêja, niha em gihîştin dawiya xeleka bernameya xwe. Yes dear viewers, now we have reached the end of the episode of our program.
Bernameya Gund û Welat. The Village and Country program.
Bi hêvî me ku ev xeleka we xweş dîtibe. I hope you have found this episode pleasant.
Ez Rûliyan Hec Ehmed im û îro ji gundê Cûqê bi gel we bûm. I am Ruliyan Hec Ehmed and today I was with you from the village of Cuq.
Li benda me bimînin di xelekên din, û li cihên nû. Stay tuned for other episodes, and in new places.