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Dem baş temaşevanên hêja, bi beşek nû. Good day esteemed viewers, with a new episode.
Ji gundekî nû em îro bi we re ne. From a new village, we are with you today.
Ez Rulyana Hac Ehmed, em îro bi xelekeke nû ligel we ne. I am Rulyana Hac Ehmed, we are with you in a new episode today.
Ev gund em karin bibêjin gundekî cuda ye. Ji kurdên misilman û kurdên êzidî pêk tê. We can say that this is a unique village. It is made up of Muslim and Yazidi Kurds.
Em ê bi hev re derbasî nava gund bibin. We will go inside the village together.
Bizanibin ka çawa ye û çawa bi hev re dijîn, û çi karî bi hev re dikin. To know how it is, how they live together, and what work they do together.
Bi me re bimînin û li me temaşe bikin. Stay with us and watch us.
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Ehlen û sehlen, bi selametî. Hello.
Ehlen û sehlen, bi selametî. Welcome, in peace.
Destpêkê em nas bikin xalo? Let's get to know you first, uncle?
Ez mixtarê gundî... gundê Birca Evdalo. I am the village headman... the village of Birca Evdalo.
Kemeran Mistefa Elî. Kemeran Mistefa Elî.
Ser çavan. Nice to meet you.
Ser çavan. Nice to meet you too.
Dixwazim ji me re behsa dîroka gund bikî. I want you to tell us about the history of the village.
Gundê Birca Evdalo gundekî pir kevnar e. The village of Birca Evdalo is a very ancient village.
Gund bi xwe, beriya dîtina wî, bircik hebû di ortê gund de. The village itself, before it was discovered, had a small tower in the middle.
Yekî derwêş, yanî navê xwe Evdal bû, hat li wê bircê hewî... A dervish, I mean his name was Evdal, came and stayed in that tower...
Belê. Yes.
Û li ser wê esasê kirin navê gund Birca Evdalo. And on that basis, they named the village Birca Evdalo.
Li ser wî ê ku di bircê de hewî, lê rûnişt. After him... the one who stayed in the tower, settled there.
Temenê gund çend sal e? Beriya çend salan çêbûye? How old is the village? How many years ago was it built?
Welle emrê gund... Ser 150 sal e heye. Well, the village's age... It's over 150 years old.
Berê esasê gund, ne li vir bû. Ew li ser qişlê bû. The original foundation of the village wasn't here. It was on the barracks (qişle).
Jê re dibêjin Qişle, ser tiliya jor, gund esas bû. Paşê daketin jêr. They call it Qişle. On the upper hill, the village was originally there. Later they came down.
Çima daketin jêr? Why did they come down?
Daketin jêr, kaniyê pê ve nêzîk bû... They came down, the spring was closer...
Kaniyê, navî kaniya gund bû. Kaniya Birca Evdalo. The spring below was the village spring. The Birca Evdalo spring.
Xidre-midre diçandin berê... Ber avê kaniyê, û pê ve nêzîk bû wilo hatine jêr. They used to plant vegetables and such... near the spring water, and it was closer, so they came down.
Kîjan malbat bûn ku hatin vî gundî destpêkê? Can we know which families were the first to come to this village?
Malbatên esasî; mala Nebî Hesen, mala Mele Osman, mala Evdalo, mala Evdêl, ev in... The main families are the Nebî Hesen family, the Melle Osman family, the Evdalo family, the Evdêl family...
Mala Evdêlok. Ev in, sê çar mal in yanî... asasî gund... The Evdêlok family. These are the ones, 3-4 families... the foundation of the village.
Ji gund in. They are from the village.
Êzidî û misilman in? Are they Yazidis and Muslims?
Êzidî û misilman tev e... Êzidî jî kevin in di gund de. Yazidis and Muslims together, I mean. The Yazidis are also old in the village.
Ew jî teqriben ser 150 salî re heye yanî... di vî gundî de... They have also been here for approximately 150 years... in this village...
Dixwazim ji me re behsa cihên dîrokî jî bikî. I also want you to tell us about the historical sites.
Cihên kevin, di vî gundî de... The old sites in this village.
Cihên kevin... heye, me got Birc... Ew yek e. The old sites... we said the Tower... that's one.
Û ya diduyan jî, Til e... bergir... em jê re dibêjin Tiliya Ûsiv Axa. And the second one is, Til... the hill... we call it Tilî Ûsiv Axa.
Tiliya Ûsiv Axa. Evana berê avê ji kaniya gund, hetanî nav Efrînê... Tilî Ûsiv Axa. In the past, water from the village spring, all the way to Afrin...
Qermîd kişf kirin, wekî qenewat a. They discovered pipes, like an aqueduct.
Ji ava kaniyê dikêşandin kuda re, dibirin Tilî... Tiliya bergir... Tiliya Ûsiv Axa. They drew water from the spring to where, they took it to Tilî... the hill... Tilî Ûsiv Axa.
Yanî niha em dibêjin Tiliya Ber Gir. I mean now we call it Tilî Ûsiv Axa.
Û ew ya sêyem jî, Şikeft e... Di derî ye... Ew jî... And the third one is, the Cave... the one outside...
Belê. Yes.
Ew jî şikefteke kevin e. Di dîrokê de menteqê de bi şiklê... yanî heye... That is also an old cave. In the region's history, in an ancient form...
Ev şikeft yanî... Beriya gund ava bibe ew şikeft hebûn? This cave of yours... Did these caves exist before the village was built?
Ew şikefta berya vî bi 400 sal e heye. That cave has been around for 400 years before this.
Yanî şikeftek a pir a kevin e. I mean, it's a very old cave.
Heta berya vî texmînen, bîst û şeş salan wisa... baeseke Yapanî hate vir. About 26 years ago or so, a Japanese mission came here.
Ummalên me gundê Birca Evdalo, diçûn tenqîb dikirin. The workers of our village, Birca Evdalo, went and excavated.
Yapanî re dişixilîn di wê şikeftê de. They worked with the Japanese in that cave...
Çima hatin vir? Why did they come here?
Gotin şikeftek a kevin e.. qedîm e yanî.. berya asrê hecerî... yanî digotin... They said it's an old cave... it's ancient... before the Stone Age... they said...
Hevdeh sal e, deh sal e... ew şikeft in. Those are the caves.
Yanî hatin iktîşaf bikin wekî ku tu dibêjî... So they came to explore, as you say...
Hatin iktîşaf kirin yanî. Wê şikeftê sekînan.. wekî kişf kirin, qişkeke zarok... They explored that cave... they stayed... as they discovered it, a child's skeleton...
Temenê wî şeş sal e yan çi qas e. Tê de dîtin. His age was about six years or so. They found it inside.
Hestiyê wî yanî... Yapanî ew birin Şamê, weha kirin... They found his skeleton... The Japanese took it to Damascus.
Û te got hestiyên kî li wê derê hatin dîtin û birin Şamê? And you said whose skeleton did they find there and take to Damascus?
Hestiyê dîtin, birin Şamê, baesên Yapanî. Ew yek ku bi deh hezaran sal e... The Japanese mission. It's been tens of thousands of years...
Yanî tu dikarî bêjî dîroka wê çi qas de ketiye? So you can say, how far back does its history go?
Ji vir de ketiye... Heft peçikên zarokî derketin, kişf kirin... di kevin. It goes back... Seven child fossils came out, they discovered them... ancient...
Însanê diduyan e dîrokî derket yanî... The second historical human came out... in history...
Belê. Yes.
Te bi jimart dîrokî, te got şikeftên gund... Birca Evdalo, û tiliyê gir. You listed the historical sites, you said the village caves... Birca Evdalo, and the hill.
Aaa, til, til digotin berê, girê Ûsiv Axa, yanî şên bû. Ah, the hill, they used to call it the hill of Ûsiv Agha, it was prosperous.
Mal hebûn, kêleka wê de av hebû, jiyan lê hebû... Wê girê, tiştê... There were houses, there was water next to it, there was life on it... On that hill...
Ziraetê bidaî çêdikirin... cer û dîz e... evana qermîd de çêdikirin... They did primitive agriculture... and they made jars... made of clay...
Min e cerik jê derxist bin gûniyê min de... I dug up a jar myself from under my sack...
Evana berê mûne dikirin, mûnetê xwe lê dikirin... wê tilê de. They used to store provisions in these, they kept their food in them... in that hill.
Hîn cerik mewcûd in yanî. Heye, bi xwe tileke asar e, yanî pir kevin e. There are still jars available. There are, it is an ancient hill itself, it has antiquities, it's very old.
Pir kevn e... It's very old...
Erê. Weke ku te gotî, menteqê de xasten gundê Birca Evdalo... Yes. As I said, especially the agriculture of the Birca Evdalo village...
Ziraeta darên fêkî hene, meselen sêv, hirmî, sefercel, hinar... There is fruit tree agriculture, for example, apples, pears, quince, pomegranates...
Yanî xox, tiştên wisa... Tiştên ziraetê. I mean peaches, things like that... Agricultural things.
Ziraeta be'lî jî heye. Yanî eger av heye em diçînin... There's also rain-fed agriculture. I mean if there's water, we plant...
Meselen vê taliyê beriya vê heşt-deh salan, ziraeta nehatî dihatin... For example, in this field 18 years ago, agriculture...
Wekî çî... Like what...
Wekî bateta, çandin... Like potatoes, we planted...
Berê me hebû... Ev... reşreşk... We used to have... this... black cumin...
Karên wan li gund de çi ne? What do they do for a living in the village?
Karê me ziraet e. Karê gund bi şeklê giştî gund gihayî ye. Karê baxçan... Our work is agriculture. The village's work in general is agriculture. Gardening work...
Meselen darên baxçeyên xwe... mewsimê xwe berhev dikin, av didin, dar in... For example, the trees in their gardens... they harvest their crops, water them, trees...
Û qismekî gund jî heye bi dewar in. And a part of the village also has livestock.
Dewara çêl hene. Pez jî heye... There are cows. There are also sheep...
Yanî gund e, em bibêjin wekî şeş-heft sed dewar di gund de heye... I mean it's a village, let's say there are about six to seven hundred heads of livestock in the village...
Qismekî gund bi dewar e jî teb'en, kar dikin. A part of the village also works with livestock, of course.
Dikarî ji me ra behsa xwendewanên gund bikî? Xwendewan li gund hene? Can you tell us about the educated people in the village? Are there educated people?
Hene, xwendewan pir in. Doktor hene, seydelî hene... Textorên diranan hene. There are, there are many educated people. There are doctors, pharmacists... There are dentists.
Meselen Xelîl Arif ewil seydelî ye Efrînê de vekir... Şariê Cindirêsê... Xelîl Batal Arif, Îbrahîm Arif... For example, let's say Xelîl Arif was the first to open a pharmacy in Afrin... on Jindires street... Xelîl Batal Arif, Îbrahîm Arif...
Jê heye meselen Doktor Seydelî Cemîl Batal, Behrî Batal heye... There's also, for example, Dr. Pharmacist Cemîl Batal, Behrî Batal is there...
Meselen Doktor Fewzî heye, ew jî doktor e am e, daxiliyê... For example, Dr. Fewzî is there, he is a general doctor, internal medicine...
Hene cem me Doktor Arif Batal jî heye... We also have Dr. Arif Batal...
Niha ew li vir in an li Efrînê? Are they here now or in Afrin?
Vir in, hatine ha... Efrînê... They are here, they came here...
Xwendina medreseyan berê cem me hebû heta bi îdadî. Bes ededê telebeyan kêm bû... We used to have school education up to middle school. But the number of students decreased...
Niha jî heta merheleyê şeşê. Belkî îsal pê de, ededê teleban... Now it's up to the sixth grade. Maybe from this year on, the number of students...
Xwendekar ji vir derdiketin, diçûn dixwendin? Did the students leave from here to go study?
Teb'en, diçûn Efrînê, diçûn otobusan, meselen... Of course, they went to Afrin, they went by buses, for example...
Ewe muweselat hene herin werin? Are there transports available to go and come back?
Teb'en, muweselat hene, seyareyên cîp hene, meselen heft- heşt siwar dibin. Talebe gişt kom dibin, diçin û tên. Wê derê... Of course, there are transports, there are jeeps, for example, seven or eight people ride. The students all gather, they go and come back.
Spasiya te dikim. I thank you.
Tu her hebî, wextê te xwaş. May you always exist, have a good time.
Û em dixwazin hûn pir werin... ne bes carekê gundê me, pir werin. Wextê we xweş. And we want you to come often... not just once to our village, come often. Have a good time.
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Gundê Birc Ebdella, bi ser navçeya Şêrewa ve tê girêdan û 12 kîlometre ji bajarê Efrînê yê dagirkirî dûr dikeve. The village of Birc Ebdella is connected to the Şêrewa district and is located 12 kilometers from the occupied city of Afrin.
Û bi serêkan, em karin derbasî gund bibin û werin seredana gund bikin. And with its springs, we can enter the village and visit it.
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Belê temaşevanên hêja... Yes, dear viewers...
Niha em hatine vê malê... Now we have come to this house...
Ev maleke Êzîdî ye... This is a Yazidi house...
Em ê derbasî malê bibin... We will enter the house...
Ku xelkê vê malê nas bikin. To get to know the people of this house.
Bi me re bin û bi me re werin. Stay with us and come with us.
Merheba xalo. Hello, uncle.
Merheba bi xêr hatin, ehlen we sehlen. Hello, welcome.
Çawa ye halê te xalo? How are you, uncle?
Em destpêkê te nas bikin? Can we get to know you first?
Ehlen we sehlen. Welcome.
Fawzî Hesen, ji gundê Bircê me. I am Fawzi Hasan, from the village of Birc.
Kerem kin. Hûn ji ku derê hatine, em we nas bikin? Go ahead. Where are you from, so we can know you?
Em ji kenala Walat TV ne, ji bernameya Gundên Walat em hatine. We are from Walat TV, from the "Gundên Walat" program.
Ehlen we sehlen, kêfa me xweş bû. Welcome, we are pleased.
Em dixwest em werin derbasî cem we bibin û we nas bikin. We wanted to come and visit you and get to know you.
Ehlen we sehlen. Welcome.
Em pêk re behsa Êzîdiyên gund bikin. We want to talk together about the Yazidis of the village.
Bi sersera min, ehlen we sehlen. Em amade ne. On my head, welcome. We are ready.
Çi pirs hene kerem kin. Whatever questions you have, go ahead.
Belê xalê min, em dixwazin behsa Êzîdiya gund bikin. Yes my uncle, we want to talk about the Yazidis of the village.
Gund ji we re, ser Êzîdiyan, dîroka wan... The village for you, about the Yazidis, their history...
Ew îcar... inşalah... em ê bi hev re rûnin û ez ê tevekî ji we re bêjim. That now... God willing... we will sit together and I will tell you everything.
Bi çi awayî dijîn, wekî em dizanin Misilman jî li vir dijîn. How do they live, as we know Muslims also live here.
Hûn û Misilman çawa dijîn bi hev re, hûn ê bersivê bidin? How do you and the Muslims live together, will you answer?
Bi sersera min, kerem kin. On my head, please come in.
Merheba. Hello.
Aha wisa kerem kin werin. Right this way, please come.
Dixwazim ji me re behsa dîroka Êzîdiyan bikî. I want you to tell us about the history of the Yazidis.
Çiqas kes li vir dijîn, çi wextî hatine vir? How many people live here, when did they come here?
Millete me yê Êzîdî di gundê Bircê de, Our Yazidi people in the village of Birc,
Sêyeka wê Êzîdî ye. One-third of it are Yazidis.
Û du sêyek misilman in, birayên me yê misilman in. And two-thirds are Muslims, our Muslim brothers.
Tebî di gund de em tev de bi hev re dijîn. Of course, in the village we all live together.
Bi kar dikin, şixulê xwe, demên xwe, We work, our jobs, our times,
Ferq tine di navbera Êzîdî û Misilman, di jiyana me de ferq tine ye. There is no difference between a Yazidi and a Muslim, there is no difference in our lives.
Jiyaneke xweş em bi hev re dijîn, serahet. We live a good life together, honestly.
Destpêkê Êzîdî ji ku derê hatine? Where did the Yazidis originally come from?
Êzîdî zû de, pir zû de li vî gundî ne. Yazidis have been in this village for a long time, a very long time.
Yanî ji dema avakirina gund de, I mean since the time the village was built,
Gund teqrîben ji sed... sed û ... sed sal zêdetir e. The village is approximately more than a hundred... hundred and... hundred years old.
Sed û ... yanî ji sedî zêdetir... tişkek. A hundred and... I mean more than a hundred... a little more.
Ji esas de malbata hebûne, Êzîdî hebûn, Misilman hebûn. From the beginning families have been here, there were Yazidis, there were Muslims.
Xelkê vî gundî qismek jê êzîdî ye ji berê de. A part of the people of this village have been Yazidis since the past.
Na, ji derve nehatine vir, No, they didn't come here from outside,
Asasê xwe êzîdî ne. Their roots are Yazidi.
Ev e... tebî munasebeyên me em tev de, munasebeyên xwe, cejnên xwe, derdên xwe, em birên misilman bi hev re... dikin. This is it... of course all our occasions, our occasions, our holidays, our sorrows, we and our Muslim brothers... do together.
Hinek hene ku ji me cuda ne, wek mînak cejnên misilmanan, There are some that are different from us, for example Muslim holidays,
Êzîdî ya xas, êzîdî ya... wek cejna rojiyê. Special Yazidi, Yazidi... like the Fasting holiday.
Rojiya me, Our fast,
Dikeve sêşemê yekem a tîrmeha rojhilatî, em li ser teqwîma rojhilatî dişixulin. It falls on the first Tuesday of July of the eastern calendar, we work on the eastern calendar.
Sêşema ewilî ji tîrmeha rojhilatî ev sê rojan em rojiyê digrin. The first Tuesday of eastern July, we fast for these three days.
Û paşê roja pêncşemê roja çaran dibe cejn. And then on Thursday, the fourth day becomes the holiday.
Ev cejna rojiyê ye. This is the fasting holiday.
Di gund de hûn cejna rojiyê bi çi awayî pîroz dikin? How do you celebrate the fasting holiday in the village?
Tebî lê em amade dibin, Of course, we get ready for it,
Berê sibehê zû em radibin û em diçin li ser turbê miriyên xwe, mezaran, Early in the morning we wake up and we go to the graves of our dead, the graveyards,
Ziyaretê dikin, fatiheyekê dixwînin... We visit, we read a Fatiha...
Diayan dikin, şêxên me hene... li wir amade ne. They pray, we have sheikhs... they are present there.
Li wir ew jî dia dikin... They also pray there...
Piştî wê re em vedigerin nava gund û malê xwe, After that we return to the village and our homes,
Em dest bi ziyaretan dikin, em cejnê li hev pîroz dikin... We start visiting, we celebrate the holiday with each other...
Birayên me yên misilman jî tên cem me û cejna xwe dikin. Our Muslim brothers also come to us and celebrate the holiday.
Cejna me pîroz dikin. They celebrate our holiday.
Ev tişt di gund de heye, hemdule rinde jiyana me bi vî awayî ye. This thing exists in the village, thank God our life is good this way.
Wekî din cejnek me heye. Besides that, we have a holiday.
Ê Çarşema Sor. It's Red Wednesday.
Ew jî dikeve nîsana rojhilatî. That also falls in eastern April.
Çarşema yekemîn ji nîsana rojhilatî, teqwîma rojhilatî. The first Wednesday of eastern April, the eastern calendar.
Di vê de jî tebî, On this too, of course,
Dîsa em serdana turbeyan, duayan... Again we visit the graves, prayers...
Pişt re em hatin gund... Afterwards we come to the village...
Amadekariyê xwe dikin, They make their preparations,
Em weke mînak xwarina tabixê... xwarina cejnê... cejnê dikin. We, for example, cook food... the holiday food... we celebrate.
Bedeva fuqere... keyf xweşiyê, keyfxweşiyan derbas dikin. For the poor... having fun, we pass the time with happiness.
Û heman wext, And at the same time,
Di van du salên dawî de, em bi awayekî fermî, In these last two years, we officially,
Li herêma Efrînê gundê Bircê da em wê cejnê çêdikin, Çarşema Sor. In the Afrin region in the village of Birc, we celebrate that holiday, Red Wednesday.
Pirseke min heye, dixwazim bizanibim ev cejn ji ku hatiye? I have a question, I want to know where this holiday came from?
Cejna... The holiday...
Yanî ev cejna Çarşema Sor? You mean this Red Wednesday holiday?
Tamam, tamam e, ez ê ji te re xeberekê bidim. Okay, okay, I will tell you something.
Rebê alemê roja ku The Lord of the worlds, the day that
Kewn û xelîqe çêkiriye. He created the universe and the creation.
Û çivîkek û erd û av... yanî... cemadat çêkiriye, tê de bedayî. And he created a bird and the earth and water... I mean... inanimate objects, starting with it.
Em bi vê munasebetê îhtîfalê dikin. We celebrate on this occasion.
Ev munasebet ji wir de hatiye. This occasion comes from there.
Bes tebî ne ev tenê cejna milletê êzîdî ye. But of course this is not only a holiday for the Yazidi people.
Ev cejna millete kurd a giştî ye. This is a holiday for the general Kurdish people.
Ji ber ku rebê alemê ew ... yanî xelîqe çêkiriye, Because the Lord of the worlds created... I mean the creation,
Ev ne bi tenê ji êzîdîyan re bû, This wasn't only for the Yazidis,
Yanî ji giştan re. I mean for everyone.
Lê di nav wê demê de em... hesbî tiqûsên me ev e, em li ser wê îhtîfalê dikin. But during that time we... according to our rituals, we celebrate it.
Me qut nekir. We didn't cut it off.
Cejneke me ya komî jî heye. We also have a communal holiday.
Ew jî heca me ye, And that is our pilgrimage,
Di meha... In the month of...
Şeşê dehê. The sixth of the tenth month.
Şeşê dehê wextê em derin... hec hesrî li Lalişê ye. On the sixth of the tenth month when we go... the pilgrimage is exclusively in Lalish.
Li Iraqê ye. It is in Iraq.
Navenda êzîdiyan, qibleta êzîdiyan e... diçin serê... li ser wê heca xwe dikin. The center of the Yazidis, it's the qibla of the Yazidis... they go there... and perform their pilgrimage on it.
Dixwazî ji min re behsa hecê bikî? Can you tell me about the pilgrimage?
Çawa, çend rojan e? How is it, how many days is it?
Wê çi dikin tê de? What do they do there?
Tebî, ew jî ji teqsên hene. Of course, that also has its rituals.
Dua dikin û pîr û şêxê me li wir hene. They pray and our pirs and sheikhs are there.
Teqsên xwe dikin, em dibin ew derê di minasebeta cejnê. They perform their rituals, we go there for the occasion of the holiday.
Qurbaniyan li wir dikin. They make sacrifices there.
Cejn şeş roj dirêj dike. The holiday lasts for six days.
Û mezaretan li wir... te pey qudsiyeta wan... yanî tewaf dibe... li der dibe... And the shrines there... following their sanctity... I mean circumambulation happens... it happens outside...
Piştî wê di roja şeşan de... yanî alem diferaqe... her kes diçe cihê xwe. After that on the sixth day... I mean the people disperse... everyone goes to their place.
Ew, ev cejn e... cejn e. That, that is the holiday... it is the holiday.
Du çileyên me hene. We have two forty-day periods.
Em dibên çileyê havînê û çileyê... We call it the summer forty days and the forty days of...
Zivistanê. Winter.
Ew jî dikeve meha şeş û heftan, havînê, That also falls in the sixth and seventh months, the summer one,
Û yê din jî dikeve... meha dozdeh û yekan ...teqrîben... di nav da... And the other one falls in... the twelfth and first months... approximately... in between...
Dozdeh û yekan... heta ku diçe diçe... heta şibatê... di sala din de. The twelfth and first... until it goes... until February... in the next year.
Ew jî dema... dema wan e. That is also the time... their time.
Dîsa ew çile. Again those forty days.
Çile rojî ye. The forty days is for fasting.
Ne mecbûr e ku her kes bigre, It's not mandatory for everyone to fast,
Lê heke kesekî rojî girt... çil rojan rojî girt... piştî wê cejn... yanî cejn dikin. But if someone fasts... fasts for forty days... after that there is a holiday... I mean they celebrate a holiday.
Ew jî qurbaniyên xwe dikin... mirovên dervî ziyaret dikin, cejnê pîroz dikin. They also sacrifice their animals... they visit people outside, they celebrate the holiday.
Karên din dikin. They do other things.
Em herin bi we re ser mûriyên we... Let's go with you to the subject of your deceased...
Wexta ku hûn şîn in... wextê wefat e. When you are mourning... when it is a time of death.
Em li ser dawatên we jî biaxvin. We should also talk about your weddings.
Dawet li vir çawa çêdibin? How do weddings happen here?
Dawet, tebî dawetên me. Weddings, of course our weddings.
Ji dawetên me û yên tu dawetên neteweya Kurd li vê derê... From our weddings and any weddings of the Kurdish nation around here...
Ferqa wan tine ne. Bi heman şêweyî, tiştekî cudahî nîne, bi dema me. There is no difference between them. In the same way, there is nothing different, in our time.
Em bi hevre amade dibin... em radibin... We get ready together... we stand up...
Naxwe... Well then...
Di dawetan de... em bêjin... şêx heye, dua dikin... tiştan dikin? In the weddings... let's say... is there a sheikh, do they pray... do they do things?
Hene, em di dawetê de me heye. Yes, there is, we have it in our weddings.
Em dibêjinê 'Nekeh' (Nîkah). We call it 'Nekeh' (Marriage contract).
Nekeh. Nekeh.
Nîkah tê birîn. The marriage contract is made.
Heye me misecil hene çêdikin, şêx camî. Yes, we have registrars who do it, a mosque sheikh.
Lê di nava me de, But among us,
Şêx rûdinê... keçik û xort rûdinên... The sheikh sits... the girl and boy sit...
Şahid hene li wir rûdinên... There are witnesses sitting there...
Bi hev razî ne? Are you willing with each other?
Erê... erê... Yes... yes...
Û wekî ku... ji Xwedê duayên xwe dikin. And like that... they pray to God.
Û mirî. And the deceased.
Mirî, tebî, wextê ku wefat dibe, The deceased, of course, when someone passes away,
Pêşî şêx... dîsa dema xeber didin şêx. First the sheikh... again they inform the sheikh.
Şêx tê amade dibe. The sheikh comes and gets ready.
Diçe mal, duayan li ser mirî dike... yek hazir dike, tiştek wisa çêdibe. He goes to the house, prays over the dead... someone prepares it, something like that happens.
Piştî wê em derin terbeya xwe... em wî têxin bin axê, di terbeyê de. After that we go to our graveyard... we put him under the soil, in the graveyard.
Terbeyên me yên gundê Bircê de, Our graveyards in the village of Birc,
Ne cuda ne, yanî ne taybetî ne. They are not separate, I mean they are not exclusive.
Goreke tevlîhev e, Êzîdî, Misliman tevlîhev in, It's a mixed graveyard, Yazidi and Muslim are mixed together,
Yanî di meqbereya me de nav hev de ne. I mean in our graveyard they are among each other.
Tevlîhev e, ev tişta tefrîqet tine ye di nav me de. It's mixed together, there is no such thing as separation among us.
Paşê ciwan diçin terbeyê dikolin, Then the youth go and dig the grave,
Bikolin, derkevin. Dig it, and come out.
Amade bikin, xeber bidin me, bibêjin amade ye. Prepare it, let us know, say it's ready.
Şêx tê dîsa bi ava zêr ew tê şûştin, tam tê amadekirin, bi kefen dibe. The sheikh comes again, it is washed with gold water, fully prepared, and placed in a shroud.
Û em derdixin. And we take it out.
Em didin ser derbasteyê û, We place it on the bier and,
Heke dûr be bi otombîlan diçin, If it's far they go by cars,
Heke nêzîk be em pê re diçin, yanî... If it's near we walk with it, I mean...
Ber bi meqberê. Towards the cemetery.
Li wir jî tebî gava tê veşartin, There too, of course, when it is buried,
Û ax bi ser ve tê kirin. And soil is put over it.
Şêx radibe duayê xwe li ser dike. The sheikh stands and says his prayer over it.
Duayên mirinê hene xusûsî... yê wê demê. There are specific prayers for the dead... for that time.
Erê, weke hesabê der e, ev tişt in. Yes, like the usual way, these are the things.
Pir di nav de tênegerin. They don't go into it much.
Û piştre malbata wî rêz dibe, xatirê hevdû dixwazin, And then his family lines up, they bid each other farewell,
Û xwediyê mirî rêz dikin, And the owners of the dead line up,
Û diçin mal. And they go home.
Sê roj dirêj dike. It lasts for three days.
Li mala aza. In the house of mourning.
Roja duduyan, The second day,
Sêyem, dîsa hewce nîne xwarin... The third, again there's no need for food...
Roj bi roj e. It is day by day.
Roja dawî, roja sêyem em xwarina qurbana xwe çêdikin, The last day, the third day we cook the food from our sacrifice,
Piştî wê qurbaniya ... xwarin û ew roj xilas bû, xelas. After that the sacrifice... the food and that day is finished, it's done.
Dîsa hûn diçin ser terbeyê? Do you go to the graveyard again?
Belê, erê em wextê cejnan... Yes, yes we during the holidays...
Em hemû cejnan heke em li gund bin em her cejnê diçin terbeyan. On all holidays if we are in the village we go to the graveyards on every holiday.
Hetta min got we, bi rastî, Like I told you, truthfully,
Mişareketiya me, em heta bi cejnên birayên xwe yên Misliman em diçin. Our participation, we even go to the holidays of our Muslim brothers.
Di hemû wan de, em diçin terbeya xwe... em duayên xwe dikin. In all of them, we go to our graveyard... we say our prayers.
Em bixwe niha behsa vê hevjiyana hevbeş bikin... Let's talk about this mutual coexistence now...
Hûn û Misliman... You and the Muslims...
Çawa bi hev re dijîn? Bi çi awayî? How do you live together? In what way?
Cem me ferq tine. There is no difference for us.
Ferq tine. There is no difference.
Û teb'en ew jî bi me diqederin ke Êzîdî, em jî bi wan diqederin ke birê me yê îslam ne. And of course they respect us as Yazidis, and we also respect them as our Muslim brothers.
Yanî bi xwe bi xwe ne, kesî hevdû tine, û zeman yek e, millet yek e, û gund yek e. I mean, they are on their own, no one is against the other, and the time is one, the nation is one, and the village is one.
Ev tiştên ha tefrîqa em çênakin, bîleks ê kar çêbibe em bi hevdu ra derên ser wî karî. We don't create these kinds of divisions, on the contrary, if there is a task, we will go and work on it together.
Ew munasbet çêbibin, der çêbibin, em bi hevdu re... If these occasions happen, if they happen, we are with each other...
Cejna Qurbanê heger cem musilmana çêbibe, hûn diderên? If the festival of Eid al-Adha takes place among the Muslims, do you go?
Em îda xwe bi ... Ê Qurbanê jî û ê rojî ... Remezanê. We do our holiday with... Even Eid al-Adha and fasting... Ramadan.
Em diderin, îda wan jî dikin. Ew ji tên îda me dikin. We go out, and we also celebrate their holiday. They also come and celebrate our holiday.
Qurban, munaseba Qurbanê, cem me mişterek e, em jî pez qurban dikin. Sacrifice, the occasion of Eid al-Adha is shared by us, we also sacrifice sheep.
Dikin îdyane. We make it a holiday.
Bes her yek bi awayê ... awayê xwe haye? But each has its own way... in its own way?
Nefis el teqalîd e. Bes ê me bi şeklekî her malek qurbanekî xwe veder ser jê dike. It is the same tradition. But for us, in a way, every family slaughters a sacrifice here.
L'wê minasebetê da yanî, û tiştî bela dike û xwarin çêdike, dıezmîne cîrana, ehbaba. On that occasion, I mean, they distribute something and cook food, and invite neighbors and friends.
Ku tu ji me re li ser adet û teqalîdên gund derkî? Adet û teqalîdên we çine? Could you tell us about the customs and traditions of the village? What are your customs and traditions?
Yane me di wê meselê xebere didin, adet teqalîdê me eger me got jê, aşî tivba û eyd û munasaban, em diderin ewe derê. I mean, we talk about that matter, if we talk about our customs and traditions, to repent and holidays and occasions, we go there.
Tiştekî din, xêrî wan? Anything else, other than those?
Tiştên din î mumeyez tine. There are no other distinguished things.
Bîlaks, kî kar, baxçekî te hebe, bi karê xwa dikin, l'ziraetê de heye, deriyan de heye.. Alem gî derbas dibe bi nefsî wê karî.. Wekî hev e. On the contrary, whoever does the work, if you have a garden, they work on it, in agriculture, outside... Everyone goes through that work in the same way. It's the same.
Tiştekî ortê me û ... Xêrî me da tine. There's nothing between us and... Other than us.
Bîlaks em mihebetekê diçînin zêde. Ji milletê xwar e, On the contrary, we plant more love. The nation is together.
Ji Kurdî xwar e, ji yanî birin ma Îslam... Me tefrîqa nekiriye qet, hetta me gotiye, na ev îslam e wile Êzîdî ye. As Kurds, they are together, even if they are Muslims... We have never created divisions, to say, no, this is a Muslim and that is a Yazidi.
Em wî tiştî çênakin. Lewma em gî hevdû diqederin, îhtîram heye ortê me da. We don't do that. Therefore, we all appreciate each other, there is respect between us.
Spasiya te dikim, saeta te xweş. I thank you, have a good time.
Ehlensahlan, bi xêr hatin. Û em ji pir kêfxweş bûn bi şorê me kirî bare we jî pirsê me.. pirs kirin. Welcome. And we were also very happy with the talk we had with you, and that you asked us questions.
Û pêş de em dixwazin hîn xizmetek vê derkeve, hîn zêdetir ferajî bigerin. And moving forward, we want this to be of more service, to look further into it.
Bihes millet, ê şeklê xwe jî hene, û ê çêyiya xwa jî hene di we xaberê da. Saeta we xweş. Regarding the people, they have their own form and their own way in this matter. Have a good time.
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Merheba xaltî. Hello aunt.
Ehlensahlan, ehlê.. Welcome, my people.
Destpêkê ku em te nas bikin? Can you introduce yourself first?
Weleh navê min Emîne ye, em ji Biric Ebdal o ne. Well, my name is Emine, we are from Burj Abdalo.
Ser çava. You are welcome.
Xaltî qe tu dixwazî, tiştekî ji me re behsa karê jinan bikî. Jinên vê derê we çi karî dikin. Aunt, if you'd like, tell us something about women's work. What do the women of this place do?
Welle vê derê, em xudreyê diçînin, em diderin deştê, Well, here we plant vegetables, we go to the field.
em kolanan dikin, be'dê kolanê, em xelas dikin edî em semad dikin, av didin, We dig, and after we finish digging, we put fertilizer, we water them.
em paşê edî xudrê me çêbû û em birav dikin, û vê derê me heywanên xwe kirin e.. Çêl.. Heywanan didoşim. And after our vegetables are grown, we gather them, and here we have kept our animals.. Cows.. I milk the animals.
Heywanên xwe çêdikim. Navê... Hevanê penîrê xwe çêdikim, I take care of our animals. I make our cheese.
û xelas dikim... qid dikim... paşê êdî ciyek din. Û sibehyan jî dîsa doşim. And I finish... I tie it... then somewhere else. And in the morning I milk them again.
L'halê wî çêdikim. Edî dinya germ e mani şîrê min xera nebe. Êvarê çêdikim û sibehyan çêdikim. I take care of its condition. The weather is hot, so my milk won't go bad. I make it in the evening and I make it in the morning.
Yanî jinên gund, ev karê dibêjin, karê derva jî dikin, karê hindirên jî dikin? So the women of the village do the work you're talking about, they do outdoor work, and they also do indoor work?
Karê derva jî dikin, em diderin. Ne ji dervayî de ye lê dar e lê çi ye ... navek ji bo vê kolanê de heye. They also do outdoor work, we go out. No, it's from the outside, whether it's trees or whatever... there's a name for this digging.
Teyb, tiştên ev dibêjin, karê berê hebe we sa kar dikir wek noka.. wek çi ? Okay, the things you're saying, in the old work, did they work like this as well, like now, like what?
Welle wekî berê em dikin. Çi ye, em nakin? Keç û hol, dîsa em diderin. Well, we do it just like before. What, do we not do it? Girls and all, we still go.
Em berê diçûn cem malê bavkê xweyî em diçûn, û l'wê derê dîsa em diderin... We used to go to our father's house, we used to go, and there too we used to go out...
Karê me li çolê heba em diderin. Tinebe, em l'mal rûdinin. Lê aga em tiştek nekin. Jinek çi karî bike? If we have work in the field, we go. If not, we stay at home. But if we don't do anything, what work is a woman to do?
Mêr tenê idare nabin, îlla jinek arîkariya fetiya xwe ke hetanî îdare ba. Ewa şert çetin e îşta. A man alone can't manage, a woman must help her family so they can manage. Life is hard, you know.
Di mewsima de hûn çi dikin? Meselen.. Em bên wek xudre da.. What do you do in the seasons? For example.. If we come to the vegetables..
mewsimê fewakiya da. The season of fruits.
E fewakiya da.. waxtê fewakiya, em fewakiya birav dikin. In the fruit season... during the fruit season... we pick fruits.
Ev karê derve ye. That is outdoor work..
Ê derva ye. Ê çolê ye, ê baxça ye hane. Em fewakê xwe birav dikin. Barê xwe temam dikin. Û va wan tiştên barê xwe radikin, dibin deran. It's outdoors.. in the field, in the garden. We pick our fruits. We complete our load. And we pick up the load of those things, and take them out.
Lê wekî sar şîvên gund. Şîvên gund wek wek mehseta şîva bikî, tu wekî çi ... But what about the village's dinner.. The village's dinner, like if you talk about dinner, what do you..
Şîva.. Em şîva dikin. Meselen, em boraniyan dikin, dolma dikin, şorbeya arde dikin, Dinner, we make dinner. For example, we make borani, we make dolma, we make flour soup.
Şîvêt ji zemanê berê hebûn. Şorbeya arde bûn. Boranî bûn. There were dinners from the old days. There was flour soup. There was borani.
Şorbeya arde çawa ye? How is the flour soup?
Ewa şorbeya din ço dikin, danê xwe dikelînin. That soup, they crush wheat, they boil their wheat.
Ditenin sirê xwe dikutin paşê, danê xwe datînin, arvan sar dikin, mastê xwe lê dixin, heliv û dil dikin, They strain it, they crush garlic later, they put their wheat, they cool the flour, they add their yogurt, they mix it, they stir it.
û danê xwe teve dikin û çikilek dermanê tirş jî pêwer dikin ku dibên ne'ne derman... And they mix their wheat in. And they add a pinch of sour medicine, they say mint medicine...
em dibêjin dermanê tirşikê, bes wekî din dibêjin ne'ne. em pêwer dikin, sîrê ditenin sîr dikinê xweş dibe. Eva ye arde ye. We call it sour medicine, but otherwise they call it mint. We add it, strain the garlic and put garlic in it, it becomes delicious. This is the flour soup.
Ev... Ev şîva cara yekem e pê didibîsim l'Efrînê... This... this dinner is the first time I hear about it in Afrin...
Na l'zistanê heye na ev a havînê nabe. Havînî zistanî hêneke xwaşe em çêdikin. No, it's there in winter, no, it's not made in summer. It's nice in summer and winter, we make it.
Ewe dinê.. What about others..
Digerînin dikin dira xwe dirêj dikin e bar. Û digerînin. Evane e zemanê berê ne. They wrap it.. they put their long... And they wrap it, these are from the old days.
Bes noka naxwin! Ev zemanê, evê şîva naxwin! But now they don't eat it! Nowadays, they don't eat this dinner!
Çi dixwin lê? What do they eat then?
Ê noka çi dixwin? Din tiştên sivik, çi dixwin. Welle... din What do they eat now? Light things, what do they eat? Well...
Din meqlûba dixwin.. tiştên sivik, rizê dixwin, patata dixwin.. tiştên din dixwin wekî zemanê berê naxwin. They eat maqluba.. light things, they eat rice, they eat potatoes.. they eat other things, they don't eat like the old times.
Lê wêna şîvên xwe ser êgir dikin. Eray vella, ser êgir dikin şîva.. But they make their dinners on the fire. Yes, by God, they make dinner on the fire..
Wek çî ? Şîve... wek çi ? Like what? Dinner... like what?
Wekî şîvan.. patata biqelînim ser êgir.. boraniyê bikim ser êgir.. şîr germ bikim ser êgir.. dolma, sorma li ser êgir... goşt bikelînim li ser êgir. Like dinner.. I fry potatoes on the fire.. I make borani on the fire.. I heat milk on the fire.. dolma, sorma on the fire... I boil meat on the fire.
Şîveke pir bi şeklek.. em pir li ser xaziyê dikin. Gî ser êgir in. A dinner in a shape.. we do a lot on the gas. They are all on the fire.
Lê em kê çi bikin êşte korê gunda habe.. But what can we do, that's village life...
Û di daweta de.. dawetek hebin wekî qîzekê derxînin ji malekê.. hûn çi ji ra hazir dikin, çi çêdikin.. And in weddings... if there's a wedding, like when a girl leaves a home.. what do you prepare for her, what do you make...
Tiştê malê, bûka... e me tiştê e.. kamil malê. Kamil ji devî dabaqê nayê.. ji derziyê da heta bi derziyê kamil. Things for the house, the bride... our things... for the whole house. All of it from the plates.. from the needle to the needle completely.
Tê tiştê ser destê xwe çênakin ji ra.. wek? Don't you make hand-made things for her.. like?
Me çêdikirin noka ev tiştan nînin manî. Tiştê gî cahiz e kirin. We used to make them, but now these things don't exist. Everything is ready-made.
Berê qenavîc e, deran e me çêdikir hê gî di boqça de nin. Hîn bixçeyê te jinan. Ê ev tişta me niha nabin. Gî tiştî hazir noka alem nayê dibin. Gî deran dikirin hazir dibin. In the past we used to make embroidery and lace, they are still in the bundles. You still have women's bundles. But we don't have these things now. Now everything is ready-made, people don't do it. They all buy them, they are ready.
Noka bûkekê, yan qîzekê derxînin ji malê. Kî hazir dikirin.. Now, when a bride or a girl leaves the house. What did you prepare...
Em hazir dikirin.. malê kamil hazir dikirin divî... hirî ye em nabin. We prepared... we prepared the complete house... there was no wool.
Gî tibbî. Doşek û... Doşek jî nabe. He doşekê jî nanin... he doşekê serê xwe deynin, wî jî nanin... û hirî nanin. It's all medical (foam). Mattresses... And there are no mattresses either. They don't even have mattresses to lay their heads on. They don't have mattresses. And they don't have wool..
Orxan... Orxan... bes ê hazir. Sivik. Go ew hirî ye grane.. ê zemanê berê ne oxra nan e. Blankets... Blankets... just the ready-made ones. Light ones. They say wool is heavy.. it's from the old days, they don't want it.
Te de bi kîjanî ye rind e? E hirî ye? In your opinion, which one is better? The wool one?
Ê hîrî ye, ê zemanê berê ne ewrind e, paqij e, dinav tevlî hev de de zilqin. The wool one, the ones from the old days are better, they are clean, they mix them up.
Evi tibbi ye, tu dikrî nava qozikê de dimînin. Çakê bişoy xera dabe. This medical one, when you wash it, it gets stuck in lumps. If you wash it, it's ruined.
Bes e din e, ehnî xera nabin. Welle sed salî pe te re rabe xera nabin... Lê edî weş e. Zeman. But the others, they don't get ruined. By God, even if a hundred years pass, they won't get ruined... But that's it. It's the times.
Mûna zistanê.. Hûn çi çêdikin? Li vê gundî? Winter provisions... What do you make? In this village?
E. Mûne zistanê niha leçer in, mastî kemandî ye. Penîr e, çîr e.. Yes. Winter provisions are jams, strained yogurt. Cheese, and dried fruits..
Tiştên zeman.. ê zistanê avane. Çîr çi ye? Çîr ê mêweya. Things from the old days... these are for winter. What are dried fruits? Dried fruits are fruits.
Ha va, tiştî zistanî ne, dolma yên hişk çêdikin. These are winter things, they make dried dolma.
Be'canê reş hişk dikin radikin, bomyê çêdikin radikin.. ev ên zistanê ve.. ev zistanê ye.. Manê zistanê mûnete da teyînin.. cî dikin.. They dry eggplants and keep them, they prepare okra and keep it.. these are for winter.. this is for winter. The winter provisions, they bring them.. they do this.
Ne... hûn ji bistanê xwe birav dikin.. radikin ... No... you pick from your own gardens.. and store them...
Ne... Hişk da xwe.. em tînin. Çê dikin. No... in its dry form... we bring it. We prepare it.
Wekî dî jî hevin karî... zistanê ew a ne.. Zêtûne nin... zetûn nin... ava ne ... Like other things too... that's what winter is... There are olives... there are olives... these are...
Li vî derî, li vî gundî.. musilman û êzîdî hene.. Noka meyra dangir ci haw.. Here, in this village.. there are Muslims and Yazidis.. Now, if you tell us, how do...
Cema tiştek tine ne noka tu bînî xwe bînî em hev re tev jin in. Li vê derê bi rastî heye. Te xwest ji me re te jî behsa jinên musilman wek... There's nothing with us, now look at yourself, we live together. Here it really exists. If you want us to tell you about Muslim women too...
Welle jinan... welle em rind in bi hevdû re.. weke qe em nizanin ev îslam in ewe êzîdî ne. Em gî bi hev re de rûnên, ez êzîdî nime.. By God, the women... By God, we are good together. We don't even know that these are Muslims and those are Yazidis. We all sit together, I am a Yazidi...
Yê dîne... bes em hevdû re rûdinin welle qet tefrîqa cem me tine. Weqa em nizanin. Em heqasê we em ji ro e. Havdî ne me... ma tefrîqa qe cem me tine. And the others... but we... we sit together, by God, there's no division among us... we really don't know. We are like you and we are the same, we don't have any division.
Ne em dibên tu îslam î ne ew dibê tu êzîdî. Ew dînê cem me em qe nizanin. We neither say you are Muslim, nor do they say you are Yazidi. We don't know that religion thing at all.
Daweta bi miriyê we em bi hev re dixwin em bi hevdû re diderin.. em bi hevdû ra tîn.. Em bona hevdû dikin... In weddings and funerals, do you eat together, do you go together.. do you come together? Do you do things for each other...
Em bona tefrîqa cem me tine. Em na bînin te îslam ê me na ev e te êzîdî ne hev tişt cem me tine. Na welle. We have no division. We don't say you are a Muslim and we are Yazidis, there's no such thing with us. No, by God.
Xaltî.. le wan kincên te bo li xwe dikin.. tikene we me ra behsa vê tav kince.. kinca derwête.. dikin... Auntie... about those clothes you're wearing... can you tell us about these clothes.. these clothes they sewed.. they wear...
Ev kinco... Welle qîzkên me ji me ra dirûtin e. Dizanî emrê vê qinco qey tu zanî çend sal e? Pênc sal in mi dirûtiye... These clothes... By God, a girl of ours sewed it for me. Do you know the age of this dress, how many years it's been? I've been wearing it for five years...
Ev fîstan e... Efrînkî vê derê wekî Kurmanckî ye... ê Kurmancî ye. This is a dress... The Afrin one here is like Kurmanji... It's Kurmanji.
Efrînê, ya Efrînê ye... Kurmanciya qisika min xerzî ye, ew jî wek me daxivin? Afrin's... Yes, Afrin's... My mother-in-law is from the Xerzî tribe, do they speak like us?
Hinek axaftinên me û tiştên me, fîstanên wan û tiştên wan... Some of our speech and our things, their dresses and their things...
Yanî nêzîkî hevdu ne? So they are close to each other?
Em nêzîkî xwe dikin, em nêzîkî xwe dikin. We are similar to them, we are similar to them.
Bi rastî em nêzîkî hevdu ne. Em tim xwedî dikin. Fîstanên kurmancî em tim xwedî dikin. Truly, we are close to each other. We always keep them. We always keep the Kurmanji dresses.
Ev a hanê me çêkir, ev çavre me çêkiriye. We made this one, we made this "çavre".
Ev a jê re dibêjin çi? What do they call this?
Çavre. Çavre.
Hinek jê re dibêjin doran jî. Some also call it a "doran".
Doran, erê doran doran... Doran, yes, doran, doran...
Bi mîl çêdikin û... They make it with a needle and...
Ev bi mîlê ye. Ev a hanê min çêkiriye, ev bi mîl... This is with a needle. I made this one here, this is with a needle...
Ê noka ev tişt heye, hûn çêdikin? And now these things exist, do you make them?
Ê noka em çi nakin, noka karê me çêbûye, em di kampa de rûniştine. Em êdî kar nakin, em nadirûn, na. We don't do anything now, we don't have work now, we are sitting in the camp. We don't work anymore, we don't sew, no.
Em çê nakin. We don't make them.
Fîstanên kurmancî... Te got tu ji Efrînê yî, te got hûn didirûn? The Kurmanji dresses... You said you are from Afrin, you said you sew?
Em didirûn. We sew.
Heta noka, li xwe dikin, cejn û nurozan li xwe dikin, li nîşanan li xwe dikin, li ber malê li xwe dikin. Until now, they wear them, they wear them on holidays and Newroz, they wear them at engagements, they wear them at home.
Em didirûn heta noka a... Ev a turasê qedîm em çê nakin, kurmanciyên me wek van fîstanan li xwe dikin. Ne li ber malê û deşt û çiyê û nesitirî ne li xwe dikin. Ne tiştekî wekî din çêbikin... ev e. We sew them until now... We don't make this old heritage, our Kurds wear these dresses. They wear them at home, in the fields and mountains, and the unashamed wear them. They don't make anything else... that's it.
Spasiya te dikim, Xwedê te bihêle. Thank you, may God keep you.
Spas ji te re jî xweş. Ehlen we sehlen. Saet xweş. Thank you as well. Welcome. Have a good time.
[Mûzîk] [Music]
Merheba xalo. Hello uncle.
Ehlen û sehlen. Welcome.
Navê te? Your name?
Navê min Mihemed e, Mihemed Reşîd e. My name is Muhammad, Muhammad Reshid.
Tu ji kîjan gundî yî? Which village are you from?
Gundê Bercê me. I'm from Bercê village.
Dixwazim tu ji min re behsa cihên dîrokî, cihên kevin li gund bikî. I want you to tell me about the historical places, the old places in the village.
Xwedê, cihê kevin sê-çar cih hene. Ev derê gelî em bi xwe lê rûniştine, ev der em bi xwe, cihê kevin e jî... Well, there are three or four old places. This place where we are sitting right now, this place itself is an old place too...
...cihê kevin e jî. Niha em tê de, em tê de rûniştine. Tiştê dîrokî ye, û gund cihê kevin e, û gund cihê asar e, niha ev derê em tê de rûniştine cihê asar e. ...it is an old place too. Right now, we are in it, we are sitting in it. It's a historical thing, and the village is an old place, and the village is a place of antiquities, now this place we are sitting in is a place of antiquities.
Ev yek. Cihkî asar heye li ser Tila Mûsê dido. Cihkî asar heye li ser çiyê, sê... Û cihkî asar heye bin Têl Çawer... çar. This is one. There is a place of antiquities on Tila Mûsê, two. There is a place of antiquities on the mountain, three... And there is a place of antiquities below Têl Çawer... four.
Temenê wan çiqas sal in? How many years old are they?
Xwedê, temenê ê vêrê a em dizanin gelekî noka... berî noka sê çar sed sal e. Yanî ew bi xwe derdikeve te ne ê ew a Îsraîl bûn teqrîben... Well, the age of this one here that we know is very... three or four hundred years ago from now. I mean, it turns out that they were probably Israelites, roughly...
Û ê mesela a li ser çiyê, ew a dîroka Romê ye. Ê wê tilê xwedê, kesek nizane ew a kîjan wextî ye. And the one on the mountain, for example, that is from the Roman history. And as for that hill, God, nobody knows from what time it is.
Te got ev gelî kaven e? You said this valley is old?
Pir kevin e. Wek Tila Enydarê ye, nefs. It is very old. It's like the Ain Dara Hill, the same.
Yanî wextê yek veda, dê mîna me'bedekê derkeve di tilê de jî hebû. I mean, when one excavates it, it will be like a temple emerging from the hill, it was also there.
Me'bed? A temple?
A. Yes.
Me'bed li vê derê li gundê heye? Is there a temple here in the village?
Di tilê de, wek Tila Enydarê. Nava wê de me'bed derket, nefs ev til e, di wê de jî heye. In the hill, like the Ain Dara Hill. A temple emerged inside it, this hill is the same, there is one in it too.
Gava yêk veda, nefsê ew me'bed wê derkeve. Wek çawa şêr derket li wêrê, wek çawa me'bed derket, nefs ev til jî wê nefs ew tesmîm were. When one excavates it, that same temple will emerge. Just like the lion emerged there, just like the temple emerged, this hill will also be exactly the same design.
Yanî ew a dîrok a a... I mean, that is history that...
Cihên din... xêrî van cihan cihên dîrokî? Other places... any other historical places besides these?
Cihên dîrokî xêrî van, şikeftek li vir derket li Cebel Bircê. Ev a re dibêjin Didarî ye. Historical places besides these... A cave appeared here at Cebel Bircê. They call this one "Didarî".
Navê wê ye ê asar e, Didarî ye, çima navê wê heye. Its name is an antiquity, it's Didarî, that's why it has its name.
De derî ye, yek ber e, gelek li ser diket... û yêk jî serpiştê re ye, her der bi qas heye. It has doors, one is in front, a lot fell on it... and one is from the back, each side has some.
Vana berî noka teqrîben ser bîst salan re ba'seke ilmî ya Yabanî hat. Hatine tê şixulîn. These... about twenty years ago, a Japanese scientific delegation came. They came and worked in it.
Hat şikeftê? They came to the cave?
Hat şikeftê, erê. Hat tê şixulîn. 'Emal ji cem me bûn, jinik diçûn, pîrek diçûn, yanî... They came to the cave, yes. They came and worked in it. The workers were from us, women went, older women went, I mean...
...gêjperê xwe de diçûn. Çûne wêrê, eva hatine, me ji wan pirs kir, tercûmanekî erebî bi wan re hebû, mutercimek, me got, "Hûn çi digerin?" ...they went working for themselves. They went there, they came, we asked them, they had an Arabic translator with them, an interpreter, we asked, "What are you looking for?"
Me gotê, "Nê zêra digerin?", go "Na, ne zêra digerin." Lê "Di dîrokê digerin." Çi maneyê dîrokê digerin? Got, "Wan î însan di bidayetê digerin." We asked, "Are you looking for gold?", they said, "No, we are not looking for gold." But, "We are looking into history." What did it mean they are looking into history? He said, "We are looking for the humans of the beginning."
Bidayetê? The beginning?
Di bidayetê, erê. In the beginning, yes.
Çi girtin ji şikeftê? What did they take from the cave?
Çi girtin? Got wek na cem me, hestiyek keşif kir... What did they take? They said like what we have here, they discovered a bone...
...hestiyên qeçikê, lawikekî. Teqrîben em ji xwe dibêjin deh duzdeh sal e, li ser cîhazên wan lê xistin. Emrê gîha deh duzdeh sal in. ...bones of a child, a boy. Let's say he is about ten, twelve years old, they scanned it with their machines. His age reached ten, twelve years.
Got ev an e însanê tenî berê bûye, ne bidayê de... They said this is an early human, not from the beginning...
Got "Ev an e însanê tenî... berê bû ye, ne ev a bidayê ye." He said "This is the lonely human... from before, not from the beginning."
Eger çend qas hezar sal de... go de quna wan de. Got de guna wan e. If it's from how many thousands of years... he said in their generation. He said it's in their generation.
Tiştên wan derdixistin, dikirin a tûrikên xwe, wek amûr. The things they brought out, they put them in their sacks, like tools.
Tiştên wan derxistin, dikirin tûrê xwe. Got e ev îsti'mal dikirin, goştê heywanan dixwarin. They took out their things and put them in their sack. He said they used these, they ate animal meat.
Û ava... bi tiştî... kevir, kevir e... nizanin, esil em wek wan, wek parê kevir, ne nizanin. Esil em... wisa navê dî got ber in, ti nîn in. Tê de dîtin, digotin ew an in, goştê heywanan dixwarin. And this... with a thing... stone, it's stone... they don't know, actually we're like them, like pieces of stone, no they don't know. Actually we... another name he said was stones, they are nothing. They found them in it, they said those were the ones, they ate animal meat.
Got ev bi kevir û qut dikir, bi dar qut dikir, go ev in kevirên wan ên ku tişt pê îsti'mal dikirin. Ên ku ev dikirin e tûrikê xwe. Go ev in, edawatên wan, ên ku ew a çaxê hanê. He said they used to cut it with stones and sticks, he said these are their stones that they used for things. The ones they put in their sacks. He said these are their tools, from that time.
Ev in eşyayên ku bûn. These were the items.
Spasiya te dikim, saeta te xweş. Thank you, have a good time.
Saet te jî xweş. Ehlen û sehlen û ser çavan. Ser seran. Em di xizmeta we de ne. Ehlen û sehlen. Have a good time too. Welcome, you are very welcome. We are at your service. Welcome.
[Mûzîk] [Music]
[Xuyane] e xalo. [Visible] oh uncle.
Na, na, na, jê re xalo! No, no, no, call him uncle!
Na wê, a min xwest silavên kim a... xwestekeke min heye, ev e ku mi ji min re te re silavên kir bo wê de. No to that, I wanted to greet... I have a request, this is that I wanted to greet him and to you.
Ehlen û sehlen... Te qanala tv hatine... bernameya me bernameya li gundên derdorê malan e. Me dît hûn a li vir rûniştine, me got em wê silavekî bidin. Welcome...
...Te qenala Welat tv hatine... bernameya me bernameyek li gundên derdorê li malan e. Me dît hûn a li vir rûniştine, me got em em silavekî li we bikin. ...We came from Welat TV channel... our program is a program in the surrounding villages in homes. We saw you sitting here, we said we would greet you.
Ê, ehlen û sehlen! Ah, welcome!
Xwedê we biparêze. May God protect you.
Xwedê ji we razî be... May God be pleased with you...
Em we nas bikin destpêkê? Navê te? Can we get to know you first? Your name?
Ehlen sebaha... Ehlen sebaha...
Navê Sabaha. The name is Sabaha.
Ehlen û sehlan dikî nevrazî. Welcome you do nevrazi.
Tu ji kîjan gundî yî? Which village are you from?
Bircê. Bircê.
Tu ji vî gundî yî yanî? So you are from this village?
Na em eşîyê koçeran, em li vir in, me cîh girtî. No we are nomads, we are here, we settled down here.
U xaltîka te? And your aunt?
Ez jî xelka vî gundî me. I am also from this village.
Kîjan gund? Which village?
Bircê Evdalo. Bircê Evdalo.
Ser çavan. Ka ji me re qala dam û dezgehên xwe bidin dema hûn rûniştine... em jî hatin, me got em silavekî bikin... On my eyes (You're welcome). Tell us about your setup and equipment when you were sitting... we came too, we said we'd say hello...
Ehlen û sehlen, ti ji... Welcome, you too...
Ka ji me re bibêjin hûn çi dikin li vir, hûn tim li vir rûdinên? Tell us what you do here, do you always sit here?
Em tim li vir rûdinên, em her gav hev dibînin, em xwişk û jinbirayê hev in, em li vir rûdinên. We always sit here, we always see each other, we are sisters and sisters-in-law, we sit here.
Em ka çi karî bikin eyar? What work do you do, friend?
Em nikanin heye eva. We can't have this.
Em aciz in, aciz. We are tired, tired.
Kê çi bikin ev yê min? Who will do this for me?
Bixêr e? We are tired.
Bixêr e? Is it good?
Êw wî lêda, ê dî kar jî dest me dernakeve, îş ji dest me dernakeve. Bes em dixwin radizên û rûdinên. He hit him, no more work comes out of our hands, no job comes out of our hands. We just eat, sleep and sit.
Emrê wê jî heye. Çend sal e temenê te nuh e? She has age too. How many years is your age now?
Heftê û sê, heftê û çar e emr. Age is seventy-three, seventy-four.
Te berê çi kar dikir? What work did you do before?
Lê min berê... min berê çi karî te bixwasta min dikir. Wek meselen, lê baxçan, lê xolan, aşûv, îsot, te çi bixwasta te... But before... whatever work you wanted me to do, I did it. Like for example, in gardens, in the fields, weeding, peppers, whatever you wanted...
Kulfetê te kani ye? Where is your husband?
Kulfetê min ev in, wek xwişka me mirî ye. My husband, like our sister, is dead.
Xwedê rehma xwe lê bike. May God have mercy on him.
Xwedê weka te jî... God like you too...
Çend sal e bûye wecê ku çûye xaltîk? How many years has it been since he passed away, auntie?
Ez? Deh û şeş e. Me? It's sixteen.
Qîçik te hene? Do you have children?
Ê qîçikê me? Ne li vir in! Our children? They are not here!
Qîçik we kani ne qîçikê we? Where are your children, your children?
Na ew ne li vir in. No, they are not here.
Qîçikê we li kû ne xaltîk? Where are your children, auntie?
Ne li vir in. They are not here.
Li kû ne? Where are they?
Ew zanin, ew dizanin, heyran! Ew dizanin... ew qul de na. They know, they know, dear! They know... they are not in this hole.
Kû derê ne, tu nizane? Where are they, don't you know?
Bila ew heval de heval de. Let them be with friends, with friends.
Ew zane we ku... They know that...
Yek li Cîdê, yek Sûûdî ye. Bes dihat heta serê sê salan neqilek dihat. Yek jî li Siwêdê, yek jî li Siwêdê, ser hev in. One is in Jeddah, one is in Saudi Arabia. They would just come, until the end of three years, one generation would come. One is in Sweden, one is also in Sweden, together.
Ev e derketin derve. They went abroad.
Çi zane tu jî ji kî din dinêre xaltîk. What do you know, you also look from someone else, auntie.
Helbet balê! Yes, of course!
Wêjeyeke dî derketiye derve xaltîk... ewê mezin... Another generation has gone abroad, auntie... the older one...
Êzika min dî yeke min dan bûye Efrîn. Li Tirkiyê, yeke jî va derê min daye lawê qeçikê xwe, li Qubrisê ye. Evana derketin ez jî mam. My other daughter, I gave one away in Afrin. In Turkey, and I gave one here to my son's child, she is in Cyprus. They went abroad, and I stayed.
Şerata tu tenê di jînê di kêlekê di gund de bimîne xaltîk? Is it your condition to live alone, on the side, staying in the village, auntie?
Êlê wê pê de, emrê xwe... ez nizanim... te heye? Te tiştikek heye? Over there, your age... I don't know... do you have? Do you have anything?
Na, ma qaçiqê wê, a me ne meşê... em re wê yekê ne hevalê... Qey nêzîk te kes tune ye bimîne, xaltîk? No, not her child, we don't walk... our age is not a friend to that... Is there no one close to you to stay, auntie?
Em vana, vana, vana... qey ez zanim? Ew qul û de em nizanim. Serî Xwedê re ye em nizanin, serî Xwedê ye re. We these, these, these... do I know? I don't know that hole. It is up to God, we don't know, it is up to God.
Noka xaltîk te bi heyf di... bixwe ew qas zarokên te hene. Bi tenêyî wilo hûn jiyana xwe derbas dikin heya we... Now auntie, it's a pity... you yourself have so many children. You spend your life alone like this until you...
Min heta niqan kahrê xwe derbaz dikir. Hîr û hey... Up until now, I have been passing my grief. Oh well...
Kîja zarokê tu bi qehre mezin di? Which child did you raise with grief?
Ê hemû ha wilo ye, ev ha wilo ye... ew ji wan hemû mesele ji we. It's all like that, this is like that... that is from all of you, it's a matter.
Cem te jiyana te kîjan zêtir e? With you, which life is more?
Heta wextê Xwedê wê bibe, Xwedê me gîhan tifaq kir tev a hev da. Xwedê... Xwedê me gîhan bîne nav hev... Until the time God wills it, God made us all agree together. God... May God bring us together...
Dinêr, dinêr rind bike. Look, look, do it well.
Silav xaltîkan. Greetings aunts.
Ser çava, xûşkê bi qenatê Ronahî. Welcome, sister, with Ronahi channel.
Ehlen û sehlen, qenata we ra. Welcome, to your channel.
Îro hûn pê de firinê re, îro hûn pê de banî de kin re. Today you are stepping into the bakery, today you are stepping on the roof.
Û saet a we xweş, û hûn bi tebehe bin. And have a good time, and take care of yourselves.
Em dixwazin tevdîra we, rûniştina we a niha, em wê dikişînin. We want to film your preparation, your current sitting.
Qesda we xêr e, ser çavan, welle. Your intention is good, you're welcome, really.
Xwedê emrê te dirêj bike dadê. May God prolong your life, mother.
Sihheta te, yanî tu xweş bûyî dî? Your health, so you've gotten better now?
Saeta we xweş be. May your time be good.
Saet xweş xaltîk. Have a good time, aunt.
Xweşî re we. Happiness for you.
Belê temaşevanên hêja, niha em li baxçeyekî fêkî ne. Yes, dear viewers, we are now in an orchard.
Û bi taybet fêkiyê jê re dibêjin armût. And specifically the fruit they call pear.
Em niha hatine vê derê. Ji ber ku ev gund gelek bi fêkiyên xwe navdar e. We have come here now. Because this village is very famous for its fruits.
Em hatine cem cotkarekî û ew ê ji me re behsa fêkiyên gund bike. We have come to a farmer, and he will tell us about the village's fruits.
Merheba, destpêkê em te nas bikin. Hello, let's get to know you first.
Ehlen wa sehlen, ez Hemûdê Tayî me. Welcome, I am Hamoud al-Tayi.
Ez dixwazim tu ji me re behsa baxçeyên fêkî bikî li gund. I want you to tell us about the fruit orchards in the village.
Gundê me Birc Ebdalo, bi pirranî darên armûtan e, armût, sêv û hinar e. Our village, Birc Ebdalo, is mostly pear trees. Pears, apples, and pomegranates.
Ev armût e, sêv e, hinar e, xox e. Hinar hebûn jî... It has pears, apples, pomegranates, and peaches. There were pomegranates too...
Armût, ez dixwazim tu ji me re, cureyên armûta hene li vê derê? Pears, I want you to tell us, are there different types of pears here?
Armût hene, ev a li vê derê armûta kûşî ye. Armût berî wê heye niha xelas bûye, ê jê re dibêjin armûta... There are pears, this one here is the Kushi pear. There was a pear before it, it's finished now, the one they call...
Ê wekî vê, sîkerî ye. Jê re dibêjin sîkerî. Ew ana xelas bû. The one like this, it's the Sikeri pear. They call it Sikeri. That one is finished now.
Niha em ev e hefteyek em ketin destê vî karî, em berhev dikin. Now we, it's been a week since we started this work, we are harvesting.
Yanî du mewsim armût hene? So there are two seasons for pears?
Du dan e, yek sîkerî ye jê re dibêjin, sîkerî ye, û ev jî kûşî ye, jê re dibêjin. There are two types, one they call Sikeri, it's Sikeri, and this one is Kushi, they call it.
Niha ya sîkerî xelas bû berî rojan, hefteyek tê em dest bi vê dikin, a kûşî dikin em ana. Now the Sikeri is finished days ago, a week passed, we start with this one, we are doing the Kushi now.
Em karê xwe dikin, berhev dikin. Ev e tişt. We are doing our work, harvesting. That's the thing.
Û çawa, hûn çawa berhev dikin? Karkerên we hene, tenê hûn in? And how, how do you harvest? Do you have workers, or is it just you?
Welle zehmetî îsal çetin e. Îsal emmal kêm in. Emmal jî tune bûn. Well, the difficulty is hard this year. Workers are scarce this year. There were no workers either.
Ji meha, miletê me jî kêm e, el muhim, emmal zehmet e, bes a pir av zehmet e ji me re îsal. From the month, our people are also few, anyway, workers are hard to find, but the biggest difficulty for us this year is water.
Armût avê dixwaze? Do pears need water?
Avê ma qey naxwaze? Zehmetî ye, yanî îsal xasma salek wek îsal mehle ye. Yanî ê pir, av gelek e niha. Doesn't it need water? It's a difficulty, meaning especially this year is a dry year. Meaning a lot, water is a lot now.
Ji dest avê xelkê baxçe berdane, niha. Heta niha, yanî her û her berdan e her û her nexwestin av tune ye. Because of the water, people have abandoned their orchards now. Even now, meaning always abandoning, always they didn't want, there is no water.
Ne sehne ye, ne ji meydankê ye, yanî avê me ji ortê tune. Bîr gişt hişk bûne. It's not right, neither from Meydank, meaning we have no water from anywhere. All the wells have dried up.
Ev e, karê armûtan ev e niha. Û li cem xelkê, milet, xox jî hene. This is it, this is the work of pears now. And with people, the public, they also have peaches.
Xox jî hene. Her yek karekî xwe dikişîne, her yekî cureyek çandiye. There are peaches too. Everyone works their own job, everyone has planted a type.
Her yek mewsimekî xwe heye, ma wekî... Everyone has their own season, right? Like...
Mewsimekî xwe heye. Meselen yekî dêkdarên xoxan çandiye, tiştên din çandiye. Bes a pir, ji Birc Ebdalo armût e. Em bi armûtan... It has its own season. For example, someone planted peach trees, planted other things. But mostly, Birc Ebdalo is pears. We are with pears...
Belê. Û hûn ji vê derê, hûn çêdikin û dibin çarsiyê? Yes. And from here, you harvest and take them to the market?
Em dibin çarşiyê. Berê çarşiya me bes Efrîn bû. Em nediketin, em nediçûne, ne Helebê, ne me nedibirin Efrînê. We take them to the market. Previously, our market was only Afrin. We didn't enter, we didn't go to Aleppo, we didn't take them anywhere but Afrin.
Me giş li Efrînê difirot. Niha milet her weha ye. Deriyê Helebê girtî, bi tenê em difiroşin li Şamê, yanî milet her difiroşe. Efrîn dixwe em naşînin derve. We sold everything in Afrin. Now people are still like this. The door to Aleppo is closed, we only sell in Damascus, meaning people still sell. Afrin consumes, we don't send it outside.
Û es'ar çawa diwînin? And how do you see the prices?
Welle es'ar. Gor avê niha armût rind e. Gor niha ew sîkeriya xelkê firotî armût rind e. Di hefteyên tê de em nizanin. Well, the prices. Considering the water, pears are good now. Compared to the Sikeri that people sold, pears are good now. In the coming weeks, we don't know.
Bes xox nîn e rind. Xox, nîv dolarî dan. Yanî nîv dolar av tê tune ye, selik biha ne. But peaches are not good. Peaches, they gave half a dollar for. Meaning half a dollar doesn't cover water, and the baskets are expensive.
Yanî mesrefê emmal dernaxe. Derman biha ne, derman jî... Meaning it doesn't cover the cost of workers. Medicines (pesticides) are expensive, and medicines...
Yanî ne derman in jî, mirov dibêje giş berî ne. Giş nîzamî ne, didin. Tişt tune ye. Weziyekî... Meaning they aren't even medicines, one can say they are all local. They are all normal, they give. There is nothing. A situation...
Xirab e, heta xar e. Hukumetek ecêb e. Heta xar e. It's bad, down to the bottom. It's a strange government. Down to the bottom.
Û ev e, rewşa mizarî. Bê av tê nebe, heyat jî tune. Dar jî tune be heyatek jî pê re tune be. And this is it, the condition of the farmer. If there is no water, there is no life. If there are no trees, there is no life associated with them.
Belê. Yes.
Ev niha hûn li darê radikin, rind bûne? These you are picking from the trees now, are they good?
Bûne. Ew a niha navê wê giş girt. Em ê niha dest pê bikin berhev bikin, bikin selikan. They are ready. That one has now taken its name entirely. We will now start to collect them, put them in baskets.
Em ê niha teq bikin. Em ê 3-4 rojek din em ê bidin çarşiyê. We will now tap them. In 3-4 days we will put them in the market.
Muxerî fêkî yanî armût wek tê zanîn hişk nake, çima hişk nake? Besides fruit, I mean pears don't dry out as known, why doesn't it dry out?
Na em, ne ew me nîn e, mesela me armût diçandin, sêv di vir de hene. No, we don't have that, for example we planted pears, there are apples here.
Sêv li vir hene. There are apples here.
Sêv jî hene? Are there apples too?
Sêv jî hene. Du baxçeyên me sêv hene, me sêv jî hene. Xox hene. There are apples too. We have two orchards of apples, we have apples too. There are peaches.
Teşkîl e em diçînin giş. Yanî ne em bes armût in. It's a variety we plant all of it. Meaning we aren't only about pears.
Bes a mezin ne wekî ku pir armût in gundê we... But the main thing isn't that there are mostly pears in your village...
Ne pir dixwaze. Bes ya me erd alimîn e, avê ye. Cemaat erd alimandin e, avê ye yanî. It doesn't need much. But our land is accustomed to water. The people have accustomed the land to water.
Tê qey xwest ku neyê beravkirin, ew e, di van hefteyan gelekî tê av nedihat. You'd think it wanted not to be irrigated, well, in these weeks a lot of water didn't come.
Dî vê hefteyê. During this week.
Naka hûn av didin rojan? Do you irrigate them during the day now?
Na, em rojane nadin. Heye du rojan e, heye neh rojan e... yanî hesib. No, we don't irrigate daily. Sometimes it's two days, sometimes it's nine days... depending.
Saet xweş. Good times.
Saeta we jî xweş. Your times be good too.
Ehlen we sehlen. Xweş hatin, ehlen û sehlen keça kurdan. Hello, teacher.
Ehlen we sehlen. Xweş hatin, ehlen û sehlen keça kurdan. Welcome. Welcome, welcome, Kurdish girl.
Destpêkê em te nas bikin. Let's get to know you first.
Ez mamoste di binê de... yanî dibêjin Omer Reşîd. I am the teacher underneath... I mean they call me Omer Reshid.
Ji gundê Bircê me. I am from the village of Birc.
Û ez endamek ji Koma Agirî me. And I am a member of Koma Agiri.
Ser çavan. Ez dixwazim tu ji me re behsa komê bikî. Welcome. I want you to tell us about the band.
Koma Agirî... ew bi berê komê bû? Û te xwest tu ji me re behsa koma Agirî bikî. Çi wextî kom çêbû? Kî bû kesê destpêkê ev kom ava kir? Kerem bike. Koma Agiri... was it an earlier band? And I want you to tell us about Koma Agiri. When was the band formed? Who was the first person to establish this band? Go ahead.
Koma Agirî di sala 1986'an de ava bû. Koma Agiri was established in the year 1986.
Li gundê Bircê bû. It was in the village of Birc.
Endamên gavê heft, kom ê çêkirinî, yek ji wan Nûrî Reşîd bû. At that time, seven members formed the band, one of them was Nuri Reshid.
Ê di... Ebdile Berekat bû. The other was... Ebdile Berekat.
Ê sêyem... Elî Misto û Ebû Şivan bû. The third... Eli Misto and Ebu Shivan.
Yanî bidayetê, Ebû Selah Mistefa Osmo bû. I mean initially, Ebu Selah Mistefa Osmo.
Bidayet teşkîl, teqrîben li ber def û zirnê derdiketin, li ber mûzîkê derdiketin. Di sala 1986'an de. The initial formation, approximately they performed with drums and zurna, they performed to music. In the year 1986.
Wê çaxê ev koma, ev beşana hemû ava kiribûn, şano hebûn, govend hebû. Hemû têde bûn. At that time, this band, established all these sections, there was theater, there was dance. All were included.
Bi minasebeta Newrozê dikirin. Teqrîben... They performed for the occasion of Newroz. Approximately...
Û heta roja îro, berdewam dikin. And until this day, they continue.
Sê kasetê me misecelê hebûn. Me derxistin, ê mîhrîcanan mişareke dikirin. We had three recorded cassettes. We released them, and participated in festivals.
Minasebetên Newrozê em mişareke dikirin, em deweta mişareke dikirin. We participated in Newroz occasions, we participated in weddings.
Em îhtîfalan a yewm sehafe el Kurdiyyê, meselen mîladê rehmetiyê Melle Mistefa Barzanî, em mişareke dikirin. We participated in celebrations of Kurdish Journalism Day, for example, the birthday of the late Mullah Mustafa Barzani.
Çi mişareket di hindirê herêmên Efrînê de heba, em mişareke dikirin. Whatever participation was there within the regions of Afrin, we participated.
Yanî ne tenê li gundê Bircê na? So not only in the village of Birc?
Derdiketin, gundên din jî? Bajarê Efrînê jî? They went out, to other villages too? The city of Afrin too?
Erê, bajarê Helebê jî em derdiketin, û li bajarê Efrînê jî em derdiketin. Û di herêmên gundan jî me tevahî derdiketin. Yes, we went out to the city of Aleppo too, and we went out in the city of Afrin too. And in the village regions, we went out in all of them.
Endamên me teqrîben... sê firq bûn. Cema me koma şano mesreh hebû. Our members were approximately... three groups. We had a theater group.
Koma stiranê hebû. There was a singing group.
Hemû di navî Agirî de bû? All inside Agiri?
Gişk di nav Agirî de bûn. Û du firq reqs, elgo bûn. All were inside Agiri. And two dance groups were the models.
Giş di cem me hebûn. Zarok, û endamên mezin, keçik jî... We had all of them. Children, and adult members, girls too...
Di stiranê, û li bazdanê de hebûn. Di komê de. In singing, and in dancing. In the band.
Û heya... belkî hey li wî alî, em berdewam dikin... And until... maybe still on that side, we continue...
Û ez jî bi minasebeta min teb'en ez di koma şano de bûm. And me too, on my occasion naturally I was in the theater group.
Şano, me li vê derê ava kiribû, mesreh, me ava kiribû. Theater, we established it here, the stage, we established it.
Di fitreya nod û çend de, du hezaran de, me koma şano li ser mistewa Efrîn çêkir. In the period of ninety-something, in the two thousands, we formed a theater group on the level of Afrin.
Koma şano a Efrînê, ez tê da endam bûm, tê da. Afrin's theater group, I was a member in it, in it.
Ez heta roja îro, ji sala hezar û neh sed û heştê û neh de, heta vê rojê... ez dîmenên arîf heflî li ser mesariha, çi dewat dibin, çi munasabat dibin, çi Newroz dibe, çi eyy şî, tiştêk dixe xûsa fen... I until this day, from the year one thousand nine hundred and eighty-nine, until this day... I present scenes of Arif Hafli on the stages, whatever weddings there are, whatever occasions there are, whatever Newroz there is, whatever anything, anything related to art...
Ez li ser mesrehê axaftin û urûd a teqdîm dikim. Û ji wek... ne jî wekî wê, ji rojek em dest pê kiriye, dest pê kiriye dî. I present speeches and shows on the stage. And like... not like that, from the day we started, started already.
Ê mamoste... li derve, wekî Efrîn wek tu gotî li Sûriyê, yanî ti derket, li derket, li cihê din jî meselen. Bêjin wekî Kurdistan a Iraqê... we derket, li derve... şano çêkir? Teacher... outside, like Afrin as you said in Syria, I mean did you go out, go out, to other places too for example. Let's say like Iraqi Kurdistan... did you go out, outside... make theater?
Welle em derneketin ji hindirê Sûriyê. Bes wekî din, ez... Well we didn't go out from inside Syria. But otherwise, I...
Çûndinek ez çûme Kurdistan a Iraqê, belkî endamên koma Armanc li wê derê hebûn, me dît, belkî helbestvanek li wê derê hebû, me dît. On a trip I went to Iraqi Kurdistan, maybe members of the band Armanc were there, we saw, maybe a poet was there, we saw.
Wekî tu dixwazî, wekî me dît... Kurdistan, gulistan e, ne Kurdistan e. As you wish, as we saw... Kurdistan is a rose garden, not Kurdistan.
Kurdistan dema min dît, bi serahetî, ez derbazî Kurdistanê bûm, ez pê hesiyam ez niha bi dinya ketim e. When I saw Kurdistan, frankly, I entered Kurdistan, I felt that now I am born into the world.
Ez wekî şuxulî bîst rojan a, bîst û çar pênc rojan a, ez li wê derê bûm. Like work, I was there for twenty days, twenty-four or five days.
Ez belkî li herêmê, hemû geriyam. I maybe traveled around the whole region.
Ez çûme ser tirba Mela Mistefa yê Barzanî Xwedê rehma xwe lê bike. I went to the tomb of Mullah Mustafa Barzani, may God have mercy on him.
Ser tirba rehmetiyê Îdrîs Barzanî ez çûm... Ê, Şewket Yazdîn ez çûm... Ê, Kurdistan... To the tomb of the late Idris Barzani I went... Uh, Shawkat Yazdin I went... Uh, Kurdistan...
Hemû der... Everywhere...
Min dît, bi serahetî tiştekî ecêb min tê da dît. I saw, frankly, I saw something amazing in it.
Yanî mesela ketina hundirê amaran, ketina hundirê mesela emn, ketina di nav hundirê leşkeran da... I mean, for example, entering the warehouses, entering, for example, security, entering among the soldiers...
Ez bi dilekî wisa hesas bi serahetî ez ketim wan deran û ez derketim, hatim. With such a sensitive heart, frankly, I went into those places and came out.
Kîjan salê bû hûn ji hundirê welêt derketin? Which year did you leave the country?
Di 2009'an da ez çûm. Di 24'ê adarê da. In 2009, I left. On March 24th.
Min wek bîstî, koma we, koma yekemîn bû li Helebê û li Efrînê, rast e? As I heard, your group was the first group in Aleppo and Afrin, is that right?
Na, yekemîn kom li hundirê Efrînê, em bi xwe bûn, lê li ser asta mesela wisa li Helebê, em wek ku dibêjin kom li wan deran hebûn. No, the first group inside Afrin, it was us, but on a level like that in Aleppo, we had groups there, so to speak.
Mesela li herêmê eger yekemîn kom derketî xwiyan, li hundirê herêmê da, ew Koma Agirî li wê derê bûn. For example, if the first group emerged in the region, inside the region, it was Koma Agirî there.
Koma Agirî di sala 1986'an da dest bi karê xwe kir û bi sedan hatin ketin nava komê. Koma Agirî started its work in 1986 and hundreds joined the group.
Bi sedan jî belkî koçber bûn û heta vê rojê, ev koma hanê karê xwe berdewam dikin. Maybe hundreds also migrated, and until this day, this group continues its work.
E tu bi xwe li bal wan, di dema pêşerojê da niyet heye ku hun herin derkevin derveyî Efrînê, derkevin cihên din li parêzgehên Sûriyê? Do you yourself, with them, have any intention in the future to go outside Afrin, to go to other places in the Syrian governorates?
Welleh, heger derfet hebe, me dixwest em derkevin derve û me dixwest em belkî wek neqlekê din... Well, if there was an opportunity, we wanted to go outside and we wanted to maybe have another transfer...
Daxwaz ji Lubnanê jî ji me re hat, belkî bi riya ji me re hat û li ser wî esasî em biçûna lê şert û merc jî destûr nedidan em derkevin. An invitation came to us from Lebanon as well, maybe it came to us through a route, and on that basis we would go, but the circumstances and conditions didn't allow us to leave.
Lê em wek komên hundirê Efrînê, em derbasî Cizîrê jî bûn di derketinê de, em derbasî Şamê jî bûn di derketinê de... But as the groups inside Afrin, we also went to Cizîrê when going out, we also went to Damascus when going out...
Wekî ku dibêjin, Kobanê jî em derketine, li hundirê Efrînê jî, tiştê ku derfet çêbibin, em dîsa amade ne em herin. As they say, we also went to Kobani. Inside Afrin too, if opportunities arise, we are ready to go again.
Çi li Kurdistanê be, çi li wekî cihên kurd lê hebin, em amade ne û herin. Whether in Kurdistan, or in places where Kurds are, we are ready and will go.
Mamoste, te ji min re behsa koman kir û ev koma we bi gelekî mezin bû. Teacher, you told me about the groups and your group became very big.
Dixwazim bizanim gelo ev fikir ji ku hat? Û çima we kom wisa mezin kir? Çima kom pir bû li bazara Efrînê? I want to know where did this idea come from? And why did you make the group so big? Why was the group full in the Afrin market?
Bi rastî em belkî endamên me bandor dibûn wek ku dibêjin bi klamên Şivan Perwer... Honestly, maybe our members were influenced, as they say, by the songs of Şivan Perwer...
...û bi Gulistanê bandor dibûn. Di wê demê de, di sala 1985'an da koman li wan deran dest pê kirin avabûnê. ...and they were influenced by Gulistan. At that time, in 1985, groups started to form there.
Koma Armanc, Koma Aştî, Koma Zozan... evan li ser asta Helebê çêbûn. Koma Armanc, Koma Aştî, Koma Zozan... these were formed on the level of Aleppo.
Helbet, bandora ciwanên me di wî rengî da bû. Yanî mesela, Mihemed Şêxo ji Cizîrê hatibû li kitixê Newroz kirin di 1985'an da. Of course, the influence on our youth was in that way. I mean, for example, Mihemed Şêxo came from Cizîrê and celebrated Newroz in Kitix in 1985.
Avakirin û ciwanên me jî di wê hengamê da, ku gundê Bircê, bandor bû, derbû, got çima em jî vî karî em di cem xwe de jî nekin. They established it, and our youth at that time, in the village of Bircê, were influenced, it emerged, they said why don't we do this work among ourselves too.
Û piştî wê ne, firq di herêmê da belkî gelek çêbûn. Yanî tu dikarî bibêjî li her gundekî çêbûn. And after that, maybe many groups were formed in the region. I mean, you could say they were formed in every village.
Piştî me çêkir teqrîben di salên 1990'î de, 1992'yan de, 1992'yan de, firaq çêbûn li ser asta herêmê giştkî. After we formed it, approximately in the 1990s, in 1992, in 1992, groups were formed on the level of the whole region.
Yanî mesela li ba me li wê derê, Zîlan çêbû, Koma Nîştiman çêbûn, Koma Buhar çêbû, Koma Jîn çêbû, Koma Evîndar çêbû, Koma Rûperîn çêbû. Gelek kom, gelek kom di hundirê herêmê de çêbûn. I mean, for example, with us there, Zîlan was formed, Koma Nîştiman was formed, Koma Buhar was formed, Koma Jîn was formed, Koma Evîndar was formed, Koma Rûperîn was formed. Many groups, many groups were formed inside the region.
Vê koma han gişt bi hev re bûn ne wisa? All these groups were together, weren't they?
Welleh giştkî tine ne, naha çend kom hene. Belkî wekî 10, 15 kom naha, heye 15 kom hene. Well, not all of them, now there are a few groups. Maybe like 10, 15 groups now, yes there are 15 groups.
Û ku Newroz, munasibeyên Newrozê giştkî beşdarî dikin, naha îhtîfalet em beşdarî dikin derdikevin. Munasibeyên Newrozê jî, berê di herêma Efrînê da li 4 mawaqia çêdibû. And when it's Newroz, Newroz occasions, everyone participates, now we participate in celebrations and go out. Newroz occasions, in the past in the Afrin region, were held in 4 locations.
Yanî mesela her mewqiek mesela li Vîpî li Endarê çêdibû. Li piyê wê ve li Kitxê çêdibû. I mean, for example, each location, for example, it was held in Vîpî in Endarê. Next to it, it was held in Kitxê.
Mesela li Vîpî Cindirêsê li Hêsirkê çêdibû. Li piyê wê ve, piyê Şera û Bilbilê ve, li ber ava Meydankê çêdibû. For example, in Vîpî Cindirêsê it was held in Hêsirkê. Next to it, next to Şera and Bilbil, it was held by the Meydankê water.
Çar mewqi dihatin standin, vê talîyê yanî umûr, umûr piştî ku ev ezme hat, û wekî dibêjin ev koçberî hat, û ev milet derket, gelek kom heliyan û hinek man. Four locations were taken. Later on, I mean, things, things after this crisis came, and as they say this migration happened, and these people left, many groups dissolved and some remained.
Belkî di herêmê da yanî resîtekî pak mabû. Digihîşt 20 firaqî û belkî ser re jî di hundirê Efrînê da. Maybe in the region, I mean, a clean balance remained. It reached 20 groups and maybe more inside Afrin.
Te behsa şanoyê kir ji me ra. Kî dibêje şanoyên we li ser çi bûn? You mentioned theater to us. Who can say what your plays were about?
Şanoyên me teqrîben pir yanî tu karî bêjî tiştên evînî bûn, tiştên turasî bûn, tiştên tarîxî bûn, û qesas û rîwayî bûn. Our plays were roughly very, I mean you could say they were romantic things, they were traditional things, they were historical things, and they were stories and narratives.
Wek çi? Like what?
Wek mesela, cem me "Ala Hêvî" hebû. Ala Hêvî. Yanî Ala Hêviyê. Like for example, we had "Ala Hêvî". Ala Hêvî. I mean the Flag of Hope.
Ev hebû. Cem me vegerek koçer hebû. "Vegera Rêwî". Vegera Rêwî. We had this. We had a nomad's return. "Vegera Rêwî" (The Traveler's Return). The Traveler's Return.
Mesela lêvê koçeran, lêvê mesela qadiyên wê derê, veger, û milet giştkî têkheve û der, bi çar ecza, û der. Me teqsîm dikir, derdikir bi murekeşgehe camîeyan jî hebûn. Ji hundirê Helebê. For example, the lips of the nomads, the lips of, for example, the judges there, return, and the people all mixing and leaving, in four parts, and leaving. We divided it, took it out, there were also university compounds. From inside Aleppo.
Û şano bi xwe tiştên qesasî bû, rîwayî bû, e, mesrahiyet bûn, me mesrahiyet mesela bi navê "Kawa", "Mem û Zîn", ev tiştana hebûn. And the theater itself was stories, narratives, uh, they were plays, we had plays for example called "Kawa", "Mem û Zîn", we had these things.
Heta niha hûn şanoyê çêdikin fêkiyên Newrozê yan na? Do you still do theater for Newroz fruits or not?
Welleh salan, çend sal in em giştkî sekinîne. Jiber ku welat vî şeklî ye, û welatê me wisa bû, şano giştkî sekinîn. Well, for years, for a few years we've all stopped. Because the country is like this, and our country was like that, all theater stopped.
Niha tiştêkî din heye di hundir herêmê da firqên fenî... bazdan in, reqs, û stranan e. Û şuxlê mûzîqayê ye. Niha bi vî şeklî derbas dibe. Now there is something else inside the region, art groups... they are dancing, dancing, and songs. And it's music work. Now it goes on like this.
Spasiya te dikim. I thank you.
Ez spasiya we gişta dikim, û ez spasiya Welat TV dikim, ku hûn hatin li ser sera, û li ser çava, û em hêvîdar in qehweyekê jî li cem me vexwin û hûn bibin mêvanê me. I thank you all, and I thank Welat TV, for coming, you are welcome on our heads and eyes, and we hope you will also drink a coffee with us and be our guests.
Ehlen weselen. Û silavê me jî wekî dibêjin, ji Welat TV re ye, ji vir heya Kurdistana hêja. Û em spasiya we dikin. Welcome. And our greetings, as they say, are to Welat TV, from here to the precious Kurdistan. And we thank you.
Ser sera, ser çava... You're welcome...
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Belê temaşevanên me, niha em gihîştin dawiya xeleka îro, ji bernameya we, Bernameya Gund û Welat. Li benda me bimînin bi xelekên din û li gundên nû. Û niha, bi xatirê we. Yes our viewers, we have now reached the end of today's episode, of your program, the Villages and Country Program. Wait for us with other episodes and in new villages. And now, goodbye.
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