Belê temaşevanên hêja, ji sibeha zû de em derketin, me berê xwe da vê çiyayê bilind. Yes dear viewers, since early morning we went out, we headed to this high mountain.
Em hatin nav eşîra me, Dimilî ya. Kurdên me yên Zaza ne hewna? We came among our tribe, the Dimilîs. Our Zaza Kurds, right?
Gundê Dimilî ya. Li navçeya Mabataye. The village of Dimilî. In the Mabeta district.
Ê destpêkê hatiyî vê gundî, vê gunda ava kirî, sê kes bûn. At the beginning, those who came to this village, who built this village, were three people.
Navê wan, yek jê Mem bû, Mele bû, û Os bû. Their names, one of them was Mem, Mele, and Os.
Berî vê pênc sed sal derbas bûn, ew xudan pez bûn, şkeft li vir hebû, av li vir hebû, dika vê hefteyê em mîvanê vê gundî bin. Five hundred years have passed since then, they were sheep owners, there was a cave here, there was water here, so this week we will be guests of this village.
Gundê Dimilya yek girêdayî navçeya Mabata ya Efrînê, li bakurê navçeya Mabata dikeve. The village of Dimilya is connected to the Mabeta district of Afrin, located in the north of the Mabeta district.
Gundê Dimilya ku niha buye bi qasî sê sed malî, pênc sed sal berê ji aliyê sê kesên Zaza, yên bi navê Mem, Os, Mele ve hate avakirin. The village of Dimilya, which has now become about 300 households, was built 500 years ago by three Zaza persons named Mem, Os, and Mele.
Os û Mem birayên hevin. Os and Mem are brothers.
Tevlî hevalê xwe Mele ji herêma Çiyayê Maziya, yê Bakurê Kurdistanê koçber bûn, u ji beriya Ehrezêra derbasî herêma Efrînê bibûn. Together with their friend Mele, they migrated from the Mazî Mountain region of Northern Kurdistan and passed through the Ehrez plain to the Afrin region.
Li ser xwedîkirina pez, zozan û zozan li debarê xwe dikirin. Raising sheep, moving from pasture to pasture, they made their living.
Zazayên Efrînê jî bi welatparêzî û fedakariya xwe têne naskirin. The Zazas of Afrin are also known for their patriotism and self-sacrifice.
Û ji gundê Dimilya ku bi xwe navê xwe ji zaravayê Zazakî girtiye, îro jî di nava şoreşa azadiyê de cihê xwe digrin. And from the village of Dimilya, which itself took its name from the Zazaki dialect, today they also take their place within the freedom revolution.
Û gelek ciwanên gund di tevgera azadiyê de şehîd bune. And many youths of the village have become martyrs in the freedom movement.
Dema ekîba bernamya me gihîşt riya ketina gund, di serî de zarok, hemû gundiyên Zaza bi rûyekî têjî hêvî û hezkirina jiyanê, bi govendo û ken pêşwaziya me kirin. When our program's team reached the road entering the village, with children in the lead, all the Zaza villagers with faces full of hope and love for life welcomed us with dances and smiles.
Bi heyecan û kelecana şoreşa rojava, gav bi gav bi mere meşiyan û gund bi me dane naskirin. With the excitement and enthusiasm of the Rojava revolution, they walked with us step by step and introduced the village to us.
Kurdên Zaza li Amed, Mûş, Batman, Adiyaman, Dêrsim, Çewlik, Elezîz jiyana xwe dikin. Zaza Kurds live in Amed, Muş, Batman, Adiyaman, Dersim, Çewlik, Elazig.
Bi xêr hatina we dikin. Hatina we ya Dimilya. We welcome you. Your coming to Dimilya.
Û em îro li pêşwaziya we sekinîne û me koma zaroka jî ji bo we hazir kiriye. And today we are standing to welcome you and we have prepared the children's group for you.
Ku ev koma em bi vî rengî hay, bi folklorê Kurdî, em we pêşwazî dikin. That this group, in this way, with Kurdish folklore, we welcome you.
Û hêviya me ye, inşallah di bernameya we da, di xebata we da serkeftinê em ji we ra dixwazin. And our hope is, God willing, in your program, in your work, we wish you success.
Spas ji we ra. Ser çava ra. Thanks to you. You're welcome.
Nahwa kûm amade kiriye? Now the group is prepared?
Erê me haziriya komê kiriye. Yes we have prepared the group.
Ev koma, ya şoreşger ay, yanî koma zarokê şoreşger in, bi navê Şehîd Baqî ye. This group is revolutionary, meaning a group of revolutionary children, named Şehîd Baqî.
Ji bo vê yekê jî me cwa- ji we ra hazir kiriye ku ew pêşwaziya we bikin. Ser çava ra. For this reason we have prepared them for you so they welcome you. You're welcome.
Em jî kêfxweş bûn derbasî gundê we Dimilya bûn. Me go em dîn û pirsên dîrokê ji we bipirsin. We were also happy to enter your village Dimilya. We said we'd come and ask you questions about history.
Ahlen we sehlen, ser xêrê be. Welcome, may it be good.
Belê temaşevanên hêja, gundê Dimilya bi vî rengî pêşwaziya me kirin. Yes dear viewers, the village of Dimilya welcomed us in this way.
Gund hemî hatine pêşiya me sekinîne. The whole village has come and stood before us.
Koma zaroka jî amade kirine, dixwazin govendekê ji me ra bigerînin. They have also prepared the children's group, they want to perform a dance for us.
Dika em li wan temaşe bikin. Koma zaroka. Let us watch them. The children's group.
Hey hey hey hey opa! Hey hey hey hey opa!
Belê temaşevanên hêja, em derbasî gundê Dimilya bûn. Yes dear viewers, we entered the village of Dimilya.
Bi rengekî pir xweş em pêşwazî kirin, bi koma zaroka, bi bazdanê em pêşwazî kirin. They welcomed us in a very nice way, with the children's group, with eagerness they welcomed us.
Lê niha jî em derbasî mala Apê Memo bûn. But now we have entered Uncle Memo's house.
Mele jî hatiye di vê rûniştiyê, em li ser banîkê rûniştine jî. The Mullah has also come to this sitting, we are sitting on a roof too.
Lê niha bavê Azad li kêlek min e, ewê dîroka gund ji me ra xuyan bike. Merheba. But now Azad's father is beside me, he will clarify the history of the village for us. Hello.
Merheba ji te ra. Û jiyana geş ji karê te û hevalê te ra. Hello to you. And a happy life for your work and your friend's.
Bi rêkî, em xêrhatin, em jî spas dikin ji bo axaftina welat, ji hatina we cem me. In a way, we welcome, we also thank for the talk of the homeland, for your coming to us.
Û em temîz dibînin... em jî spas û serkeftin ji me hemya ra. And we see clearly... we also [wish] thanks and success for all of us.
Bavê Azad, ev gundê we ji pênc sed sal da ava bûye? Father of Azad, has this village of yours been built for 500 years?
Û e destpêkê hatî vê gundî, navê xwe Mele bû, Mem bû, û Os bû. And those who came to this village at the beginning, their names were Mele, Mem, and Os.
Piştî vê kî derbas vir bû? After this who passed through here?
Tabî, ji destpêkê da, esasê vê gundî, hatina sê malbat hatin. Of course, from the beginning, the foundation of this village, the arrival came of three families.
Ew malbatna vir dibin navê wan yek Mem bî, yek Os bî, yek Mele bî. Those families being here, their names were one Mem, one Os, one Mele.
Ev birayê hev bûn, mirovê hev bûn? Were these brothers of each other, relatives of each other?
Em teqrîben wek em zanin, Mem û Os dibin birayê hev bûn. We, roughly as we know, Mem and Os were brothers of each other.
Û Mele jî apkurmamê wan e, ew mirovê wan e bi hev re hatin. And Mele is their cousin, he is their relative, they came together.
Yanî hebu tiştê me bihîstiye ji kal û pîrê xwe da, em dibêjin Mem û Os birayê hevin. Û Mele jî... mirovê wan e. Meaning there is the thing we heard from our grandfathers and grandmothers, we say Mem and Os are brothers. And Mele is... their relative.
Ji kîjan bajarî hatin vir? From which city did they come here?
Evna dema tên, ji Kurdistanê tên. These ones, when they come, they come from Kurdistan.
Tabî weçaxe Kurdistan yek e. Of course at that time Kurdistan is one.
Em dibêjin ha Kurdistana Bakur. We say, like, North Kurdistan.
Ji çiyayê Maziya tên, li tawê wîlayeta Mêrdînê ne. They come from the Mazi mountains, in the vicinity of the Mardin province.
Û em jî eşîra me, em Dimilî ne. And we too, our tribe, we are Dimilî.
Lehça me jî Zazakî ye. Neha haya neha jî ew lehca Zazakî pir û fere û zengîn e. Our dialect is Zazaki. Now, until now, that Zazaki dialect is very wide and rich.
Hûn dizanin bi Zazakî biaxivin bi hev ra? Do you know how to speak in Zazaki with each other?
Welle heya neha em nizanin, me bîrva kiriye. Well until now we don't know, we have forgotten.
Lewra em hatin vir, me jî em ketin... me bîrva kiriye walo. Because we came here, we also fell [into the environment]... we forgot, uncle.
Em wekî me hinkî ji kal û pîrê xwe me pirs kir, ew eşîra me ye Dimilî ye. We, like, we asked a bit from our grandfathers and grandmothers, that is our tribe, it is Dimilî.
Ser wê esasî hatina vir, navê gundê xwe lînan Dimilya. Ser wê esasî... gundê xwe, êl Bakur. On that basis, coming here, they put the name of their village Dimilya. On that basis... their village, tribe [from] North.
Xwesteka we tne bi alema Zazakî? Hûn fêrî zimanê xwe bin yê Zazakî? Is your wish only with the Zazaki world? For you to learn your own language of Zazaki?
Tabî, emê ji vir ha... em dixwazin em fêr bibin zimanê xwe yê Zazakî, bibin ser aslê xwe û neslê xwe, em dixwazin. Of course, we from here... we want to learn our Zazaki language, to be upon our origin and our lineage, we want that.
Birî zanebûna me û pêşketina me ji bo va şoreşê, em inşallah emê bikin... emê qapîş bikin ser vî tiştî. Through our knowledge and our progress for this revolution, we God willing will do... we will grasp this thing.
Naha ev mirovê we li Bakurê Kurdistanê mîna bav didin têkiliya we heye? Now do these relatives of yours in North Kurdistan like fathers give... do you have contact?
Welle heya neha em hevdu nizanin. Bes hewna zanin, belkî me hewna hinekî zane bin bi netîce... ev va şoreşê hineki derbasî vir bun û em jî hineki me hewji dîtin. Well until now we don't know each other. But they know, maybe we know them a little as a result... [due to] this revolution some passed through here and we also saw them a little.
Ew ji dema axaftin tê çekirin bi zimanê... ew Dimilkî, li ser wê esasî me zanî yanî em me'neta em Dimilî ne, em ji Bakur da hatine viderê. Nuşta ne. That [happened] when conversation is made in the language... that Dimilkî, on that basis we knew, meaning we are Dimilî, we came from North to here. It is written.
Taybetmendiya Zazakî çi ye? What is the characteristic of Zazaki?
Taybetmendiya Zazakî hewa lehcekî Kurdî ye. Neha zimanê Kurdî, ji zimanê wî lehce wî pir in. The characteristic of Zazaki is like a Kurdish dialect. Now the Kurdish language, from its language its dialects are many.
Yek em bêjin mesela Behdînî heye, Soranî heye, ... heye, mesele Zazakî ye. One let's say for example Behdini exists, Sorani exists, ... exists, the issue is Zazaki.
Û meseleya Zazakî jî lehcekî pirî zengîn e û fere ye. And the issue of Zazaki is also a dialect very rich and wide.
Piştî vê kîjan malbat derbas vir bû? After this which family passed through here?
Ev gund derbas dibe dema têin hem hemgû Mem û Os bi hevra têin, têin di yalî Ehrezêra têin... This village passes [history], when they come, both Mem and Os come together, they come via the side of Ehrez...
...hinekî hevalê di wan belkî li Ehrezê rûdinin, nander Ehrezê heye. ...some of their friends maybe settle in Ehrez, there is [a place] inside Ehrez.
Naha Ehrezê li wir jî dibêjin Dimilî hene. Dimiliyan. Hew jî tişqene. Nav malxwanan de yek şerqa, yek xerba. Li vî derî. Now in Ehrez there too they say there are Dimilîs. Dimilîs. They are also separated. Among households one east, one west. At this place.
Wextê dibên ma, ew jê derbas bûn, derbasbûna tê de birêve diçûn. When they say us, they passed through, there was a passage they walked through.
Ev jî teb'en mentiqa çayî ye, hişkayî ye, tiştekî din nîne, ne kaniyên me hene ne tiştek. And this is naturally a mountainous area, it is dry, there is nothing else, we don't have springs or anything.
Û millet jî pare tê de digrin û didin hev. And the people take shares in it and share with each other.
Li vê derê tebîeta wê çiye? Li ser çi bijîn? Li ser heywanan, pez bijîn. What is the nature of this place? What do they live on? They live on animals, on sheep.
Yan jî em dibêjin wê çaxê dibêjin naxir, yanî ga, dewar, li ser vî tiştî dijîn. Or as we say, at that time they called it a herd, meaning cattle, beasts of burden, they lived on these things.
A hatin li vê derê ketin sê şikeft li vir hene. So they came here and settled, there are three caves here.
Şikeftên wan jî her sê li kêleka hev in, ji hev ne dûr in. Their caves are all three next to each other, not far from one another.
Yanî her mabeyna şikeftekê jî 20 mîtro ne, 50 mîtro tîne ye. Meaning between each cave is not even 20 meters, or 50 meters.
Li kû dera şikeftan? Where are the caves?
Li vira, li orta gund, nêzîkî derê gund, cihê hatî çêkirin, avakirin, vira jêr. Right here, in the middle of the village, near the village entrance, the place that was built, constructed, down here.
Teb'en hew gundî li vê derê hewşa gîz dîtin hatî çêkirin. Naturally, those villagers saw a yard of walnuts (?) was made here.
Li wir hatin rûniştin çêbû bi awayê xwedîkirinê. They came and settled there, it happened by way of raising [animals].
Li wir jî netîca wê ava wan tîne ye, çi kirin? Çûn vegeriyan gola axa çêkirin. And there, as a result, they had no water. What did they do? They went and built the Agha's pond.
Li wê golê menî pezê xwe bidin av, heta avvexwarinê jî, heta kinc şûştin jî li ser wê golê hatî çêkirin. At that pond, so they could water their sheep, even for drinking water, even washing clothes was done at that pond.
Belkî em jî gihîştin wê, ew tiştê me dît yanî. Perhaps we even reached that time, we saw those things.
A milletê me jî giştek li hawirdora hevdu şad bûn û li ber wê kar û barê xwe kirin. So all our people were happy around each other and conducted their work and business there.
Berê pişta wê malbatên din jî, me'na bûn nêzîkî hev bûn. Before that, other families too, meaning they were close to each other.
Wan jî hatin cîwarê wan, kêleka wan hat rûniştin. They also came to their dwelling place, settled next to them.
Wan jî, netîca wan jî, ew jî 'eyle, navê malbata wan jî... They too, their result too, they are also families, the names of their families are...
Yek jê dibêjin mala Zûkê ne, mala Çekîş in, mala Kurê ne, mala Hemkelekê ne. One of them is called the Zûke family, the Çekîş family, the Kurê family, the Hemkelek family.
Mala Hemû ne, mala Elçûçê ne, mala Memê ne, mala Mihbecan ne, mala Bekû ne. The Hemû family, the Elçûç family, the Meme family, the Mihbecan family, the Bekû family.
Ev 'eyle giştek jî hatin li vî gundî bi hevre rûniştin û bi hevre jî meşiyan. All these families came and settled in this village together and walked [lived] together.
Heta niha di tarîxa îro de, vî gundî tebîeteke wê ya xas heye. Until now, in today's history, this village has a special nature.
Niha di vî gundê me de, bala xwe bidê, dor me, em herû li binê vê çayê ne, çiya em dibêjin bena xişîk. Now in this village of ours, look, around us, we are right at the bottom of this mountain, the mountain we call the beautiful belt/plain.
Beneke pirr xweşik e, kîbar e. It is a very beautiful belt, elegant.
Li ber wê jî kêleka me ya li rojava gund heye, Me'mela em dibêjin. Beside that, on our western side there is a village, we call it Me'mela.
Û ya li me ya qulbe em dibêjin Qerqa heye, û ya li me ya şerqî em dibêjin Badîna heye. And on our Qibla [south] side we say there is Qerqa, and on our eastern side we say there is Badîna.
Em di va ortê de rûniştine, teb'en li vir jî navê wan eşîra Şêxan. We are settled in the middle of these, naturally here the name is the Şêxan tribe.
Di vê eşîra Şêxan jî axaytiya wê heye. In this Şêxan tribe, there is an Agha leadership.
Du axa li kêleka me de hene; axa yek jê Badîna, yek jê Me'mela. There are two Aghas next to us; one Agha from Badîna, one from Me'mela.
Teb'en divan axa dixwestin her miletekî bikin tabi'ê xwe. Naturally, these Aghas wanted to make every people their subjects.
Li ser vî gundê me pirr tişt hatin, du-kûşt hatin çêkirin. Many things happened over this village of ours, conflicts/killings occurred.
Vana tiştana pêkhatin, diskinandin, kanîbûn vî milletê me hene kişta bikin her kes parîkî biajo xwo xê. These things happened, they stopped, so that these people of ours could... so everyone could drive/eat their own morsel.
Li ber wê bi ticarî heta niha, ne ketin bin, ne ew serketin ne ew biserketin. Because of that, historically until now, they didn't submit, neither one won nor the other won.
Ne biserketin, millet meşiya bi hevre wek hevdû û hevdû berneda. They didn't win, the people walked together as one and didn't let go of each other.
Ji lewra xêra me gotî, meseleya Zeki, yekbûn, îstîqamet û rastbûn. That's why, thanks to, as said, the Zeki issue, unity, integrity, and honesty.
Li ser vî esasî heta niha em dewam dikin, niha di gundê 'alemê da pirr tirbê kuştî hene. On this basis we continue until now, now in the villages of the world/others there are many graves of the killed.
Di gundê me yê Dimiliya da bi ticarî tirbeya kuştî tîne ne. In our village of Dimiliya, historically there are no graves of killed people.
Ber wê hezkirineke me heye heta niha tew heye. Because of that, we have a love that still exists until now.
Bala xwe bidinê, niha ev gund vî şiklî mezin dibe, bi hevre keyfxweşiya xwe tîne û kar û barê xwe dike. Look at it, now this village is growing in this way, brings its joy together and does its work.
Û a me zîraeta me jî esasa wê çiye. And as for us, what is the basis of our agriculture?
Niha gundê we çiqasî mal e? Now, how many households is your village?
Gundê me niha ji sê mala, îro niha giştî teqrîben dighêje sê sed mal. Our village, from three households, today now reaches a total of approximately three hundred households.
Yanî teqrîben hatiye avakirin niha. Meaning it has roughly been built up now.
Gundekî mezin e yê baş e. It is a large village, a good one.
Erê, gundekî bi şiklî hatiye. Yes, a village that has come along in form.
Niha hûn debara xwe bi çi dikin? Now, what do you do for your livelihood?
Em niha debara xwe piraniya wê hinekî bi zeytûn dikin, bi ev behîva, bi ev gwîza, bi pez e. We now make our livelihood mostly somewhat with olives, with these almonds, with these walnuts, with sheep.
Êne, ev debara me vî şiklî tê kirin, vî tiştî dimeşe. So, our livelihood is done in this way, it proceeds with these things.
Û aw tiştî jî piriya xwe hinekî meseleya tîjaret jî têda heye. And in those things, mostly there is also somewhat the issue of trade involved.
Aniya meseleya tîjareta zeytûna jî, wekû gundê me ma'melek me zeytûn hatiye vekirin. Regarding the trade of olives too, like in our village an olive factory has been opened.
Aw ma'mele berî vî niha di hindir Efrînê da tîne ye. That factory, before this now, does not exist inside Afrin [is unique].
Di gundê we bûye? It was in your village?
Di gundê we bûye, û em jê derbasî wir jî bûn 'alekulhal. It was in our village, and we passed through there too, in any case.
Û hinekî niha pêşketineke me ya çêbûye, me hinekî warşê xwe yanî, adirûna jî me vekirine. And now we have had some progress, we have opened some workshops, meaning sewing workshops too.
Hew jî heye jê hatî çêkirin. That also exists, it has been created.
Ev kurdê me yê Helebê hemî vegeriyane. These Kurds of ours from Aleppo have all returned.
Ev kurdê me yê Helebê vegeriyan li vê derê. Me niha ew hatî li vir jî me şên kiriye. These Kurds of ours from Aleppo returned here. We have now populated this place with them coming here too.
Em dixwazin miletê me pêşkeve. We want our people to progress.
Û duwêra jî em dibînin hinekî mîseqefê me jî hene, yanî zanebûna me jî çêbûne. And secondly, we see there are some intellectuals among us, meaning our knowledge has also developed.
Ev dibistana gundê we kingê vebû? Dibistan? When did your village school open? The school?
Dibistana gundê me ji nêz de vebûye, yanî ne ji tişt demekî dirêj de vebûye. Our village school opened recently, meaning it didn't open a long time ago.
Yanî teqrîben em kanin bibêjin bi hukmî 15-20 salan da. Meaning approximately we can say within the rule of 15-20 years.
Yanî vî şiklî sê salî da ew tişta hat çêkirin. Meaning in this way, within three years that thing was built.
Ê berê we çawa dixwend? So how did you study before?
Berê em diçûn mekteba Badîna me dixwend. Before, we used to go to the Badina school to study.
Em diçûn gundê Badîna me dixwend. We went to the village of Badina to study.
Piştî wê, ji ber ne wan her kesî bîr, taya bîr xwar, jimara çê nedikirin. After that, because not everyone had the mind... [idiom about capability], they didn't account for numbers.
Paşêra me apxane hat çêkirin. Later, our school building was built.
Neha te heya kû derê xwend? Now, how far did you study?
Min xwendina min li Badîna min xwend. My studies, I studied in Badina.
Li Badîna sala 67a, sefê şeşê min biriye. In Badina in the year '67, I finished the sixth grade.
Wê çaxê sefê şeşê, em diçûn fehsê li Efrînê, em çûn fehsê wek çû niha bekalorî fehs dibe. At that time, for sixth grade, we went for exams in Afrin, we went for exams like how the Baccalaureate exam is now.
Em jî wê çaxê meşahde bi şahde bî, bi cerîde bî. We too at that time, the certificate was with a witness, with a newspaper.
Cerîde derketin, navê me derketin. The newspaper came out, our names came out.
Em ji vî gundî sê-çar necihiyan. From this village, three or four of us succeeded.
Mekteba Badîna giştekî pênc-şeşek bûn, em vî gundî sê-sê necihiyan jî. The whole Badina school was five or six people, and from this village, three succeeded.
Sefê şeşê. The sixth grade.
Spas tera, ji bo van agahiyan. Thank you, for this information.
Saxol. Cheers/Thanks.
Belê temaşevanên hêja, babe azad xuyan kir, dîroka gundê Dimiliya, eşîra Dimiliya, kurdên me yên Zaza. Yes dear viewers, the father explained clearly the history of Dimiliya village, the Dimiliya tribe, our Zaza Kurds.
Li îna emê derbasî gundê Dimiliya bin, emê bêter nas bikin. On this Friday, we will pass into the village of Dimiliya, we will get to know it better.
Di gunda çanda dua, ji Xwedê re û lava pir li pêş e. In the village, the culture of prayer to God and supplication is very advanced.
Û dema baran nabarin, gundî li dora kevirekî hêvê ku di nava gunda ye kom dibin. And when rain does not fall, the villagers gather around a 'rock of hope' which is inside the village.
Qurbanekê serjê dikin, û ji Xwedê dixwazin ku baran lê bike. They slaughter a sacrifice, and ask God to make it rain.
Gundî xwîna qurbanê li ser kevir dikin, û paqişkirina wî ji baranê re dihêlin. The villagers put the blood of the sacrifice on the rock, and leave its cleaning to the rain.
Belê temaşevanên hêja, di herêma Efrînê da, di her gundekî da ziyaretek tê de hene. Yes dear viewers, in the Afrin region, in every village there is a shrine (ziyaret).
Di gundê Dimiliya da ziyaret tunene, lê gund, kevirekî xwes, zinarekî xwes peyda kirine. In the village of Dimiliya there are no shrines, but the village has found a special rock, a special boulder.
Demê baran nabare, tên ber vî zinarî, li ber Xwedê digerin, dua dixwînin, baran dibare. When rain doesn't fall, they come before this boulder, beg God, recite prayers, and rain falls.
Niha dayîk jî hatine vira, emê hinekî jê de bipirsin. Merhaba ji we ra. Now mothers have also come here, we will ask them a bit about it. Hello to you.
Ahlan wa sahlan. Ji we ra, ji qenelê Ronahî ra, û ji her çar parçê Kurdistanê ra. Welcome. To you, to Ronahî channel, and to all four parts of Kurdistan.
Spas tera jî. Niha dayê, ev çi xassa di wî tê ber vî zinarî? Thank you too. Now mother, what is special about coming before this boulder?
Wele, de em çûçik bûn, em dê û bavê xwe ra dihatin, digot wane hîş bav û kalê me de jî dihatin. Well, when we were small, we used to come with our parents, they said even from our forefathers' time they used to come.
Î her carê baran nebarî, û yek nexweş bî, mesele yek... halê me seqîçka xwa nebîn, derman nebîn, tên ber Xwedê û digerin jam kevirê hêvê em vêra dibên. And every time rain didn't fall, or someone was sick, for example one... if our condition wasn't good (?), no medicine, they come before God and beg from the 'rock of hope' as we call it.
Mirîşkekê xwa serjê dikin, xwîna xwa dirjînin ber Xwedê digerin, yanê. They slaughter a chicken, pour its blood, and beg before God, you know.
Ji wê jinda jî paşêk baran der nebarî, em jinê, yanê pîrek giştek, û qîçik jî, zarok, yanê mêr û kûm bûn. From then on too, afterwards if rain didn't fall out, we women, meaning all the old women, and little ones too, children, meaning men gathered.
Nav gund 'emê bigerin, de hîşta we ser sale, qeşmeran, ovê çêdikin, hema mesqerîyê dikin. We would walk through the village, back then at New Year, clowns/jokers, they make [something] with water, just making fun.
Emê lev kûm bûn, yanê ji qeneetî kê pere dan, zê dan, bilxur dan, emê werin. We would gather together, meaning from whatever anyone gave, money, oil, bulgur, we would bring it.
Ber vî dera şîvê bikin, sawarê çêkin, qelê çêkin û belav kin, mexles kir jinda, yanê emê bixwin jî. Make dinner at this place, make bulgur, make fried meat and distribute it, finish it there, meaning we would eat too.
Û her kes xwestê xwa jî dibe mal û bi şabînek û yanê her hesabekî rind yanê mesele. And everyone takes their wish home, and with a joy and meaning every good account, for example.
Ez kanim vê yê din jî bipirsim? Ka dayê, ka zû zû datên ber vî zinarî? Can I ask this other one too? So mother, do you come before this boulder often?
Zû zû em tên ber vî zinarî, erê. We come before this boulder often, yes.
Vêra dibên çi? Çi navî liyê? What do they call this place? What name is on it?
Em dibên kevirê hêvê. Pîşê me digotin, kal û pîrê me digotin kevirê hêvê. We call it the rock of hope/moon. Before us they said, our elders said 'rock of hope'.
Wekî hêvê lê heye. İşaret e. Like there is a moon on it. It's a sign.
Berê jî vî derê ge'.. 'aqid bûn. Before too, this place was... tied/connected (?).
Geh çawa bûn? How were the times?
Ge'.. çwbû. Dihatin ber kevirê Xwedê, riya xwa didan, riya dewrê xwa serjê dikirin, baran dibariyan, û weku nuka pîrekê gotî. Times... it was good (?). They came before God's rock, gave their way (?), sacrificed their turn (?), rain fell, and like the woman just said.
Xwedê riya xwa didan, darma serjê dikirin, û hewe maşalla baran jî vêra dibarî. God gave his way, they sacrificed animals, and oh mashallah rain fell with it too.
Hê baran jî vîr de çû, diçû gulê. Gulê gundê me jî, pez, heywan, tiştek, gipî diêşa. Even the rain went from here, went to the pond. Our village pond too, sheep, animals, anything, if a hoof hurt.
Diçû dikete wê derê jî, û diket sarinca jî û dera jî, yanê xweş bî rind bî. It went and entered that place too, and entered the cistern too and there too, meaning it became good, became fine.
Wî îsal hatin? Did you come this year?
Îsal em nehatin, îsal maşalla rehmeta Xwedê li me hat, rehmet, elhemdulila rind bî, elhemdulila. This year we didn't come, this year mashallah God's mercy came upon us, mercy, thank God it was good, thank God.
Wî kinga hatin cara dawiyê? When did you come the last time?
Cara dawiyê salê çûn, em hatin salê berê bî, em hatin maşalla dinê germ bî, ê me dawa serjê kir mirîşkek, heşt mirîşk me serjê kirin. The last time was last year, we came the year before, we came mashallah the world was hot, so we sacrificed, a chicken, we sacrificed eight chickens.
Ê em, me çû bin vê di şikeftî cîranî me, me fera şûştin. So we, we went under this into our neighbor's cave, we washed dishes/cleaned up.
Qasî baran derbikê barî û pirr bî maşalla, Xwedir li me va nêrî. As much rain as could come out fell and it was plenty mashallah, God looked upon us.
Kevir, ser kevir em serjê dikin mirîşka. Xwînê xwa dişû. Baran dibare pê şiştin, dewrê xwa. The rock, on the rock we slaughter the chickens. It washes its own blood. Rain falls and washes it, its turn.
Û şîva dikin, mêr videra rûdinên, cemat rûdinên, sifra didinîn, çêdikin, germî rizê ye, ê bilxur e, ê firîk e. And they make dinner, men sit here, the community sits, they spread the table, make it, rice soup/stew, uh bulgur, uh firik (roasted wheat).
Tirsik e, işta, tirsikê goşt çêdikin. Stew, well, they make meat stew.
Nana dayê, di demê baran nebare, rûn xwa taybet hene, lê kinga daxwazin tên? Now mother, in times when rain doesn't fall, you have special oils/ways (?), but when do you come if you want?
No, kîjan rojê bî em tên, elhemdulila û Xwedê ji me ra va dinêre. No, whatever day it is we come, thank God and God looks upon us.
Qasî xwarinê rojê înê çêdikin? Do you make the food on Fridays?
No ne rojê înê. Kîjan roj bî em tên. Xwedê ji me va dinêre. No not on Fridays. Whatever day it is we come. God looks upon us.
Elhemdulila. Xwarinê xwa em çêdikin, û işta qiçik dixwin, mêr tên, jin tên, sifra didinîn, dixwin, vedixwin, çi jî mabe dibin mal, dibin daran. Thank God. We make our food, and well children eat, men come, women come, spread the table, eat, drink, whatever remains they take home, take to the trees/outside.
Qiçikê xwa ra, mal. Kese nexweş bî jêra dibin mal. For their children, home. If someone was sick they take it home for them.
Ê nexweş bî... [Unclear - likely "Te nbar" / You are blessed or similar closing phrase].
Ê nexweş bî... If they were sick...
Ne, te xwedê ki, ez jê xweş bûm, sehetxweşiya min lê hat, qurban. No, by God, I recovered because of it, my health returned, my dear.
Tu çiqasî pê va çûyî? How much did you walk/go with it?
Weleh elhemdulîlah pê va, weleh ga... By God, praise be to God, with it... by God...
Bêhna xweş mirov tîne ev rîha gund? Does this village scent bring one comfort?
Erê, rihet bûye. Yes, it has become comfortable.
Kî hatibû, te ev av vexwar? Who had come when you drank this water?
Hatin, bes navê gundê çi bû? They came, but what was the name of the village?
Jîyake. Jiyake.
Ha? Huh?
Ka dayê we'd vexwar cemed? Mother, drink this ice [water].
Weleh, weleh. By God, by God.
Tu nexweş bûyî, ka firr de werin? You were sick, tell us quickly?
Nexweşiya te çi bû? What was your illness?
Nexweşiya min, seçavê min bî. My illness was my gallbladder.
Şeş sala seçavê min girtibû heraret, cîran gişt zanin. For six years, my gallbladder had inflammation, all the neighbors know.
Textorê Helebê çiqas pir bûn, ez geriyam. However many doctors there were in Aleppo, I visited them.
Gotin: "Nizîkî dused hezar lazimî me çî". They said: "About two hundred thousand is needed for us to go [operate]."
Ez çê nebûm, ez hatim mal, min dida girî. I didn't get better, I came home, I kept crying.
Dêkî min rûkê hat, gufa ziyaretim. One day my [relative/friend] came, [said] I am a basket of the shrine.
Çarşemb bû. It was Wednesday.
Go: "Min qinyata xwe bi kevirê hewê kiriye". She said: "I have put my faith in the stone of the pool."
"Ez kevirê hewê, ez ferûcikê jerje bikim, goştê xwe tîrîta". "At the stone of the pool, I will slaughter a chicken, [make] my meat into broth."
Min gotê: "Weleh textora feyde nekir, kevirê hewê, ya qurban xwedê bî, qinyata min jî pê heye". I told her: "By God, doctors didn't help, [but] the stone of the pool, oh victim of God, I have faith in it too."
Min teberkî girt, destê, seçavê xwe da hêşt, min av dikir ser mîde xwe. I took a blessing, my hand, I put it on my gallbladder, I poured water over my stomach.
Paşê rokê min ew, min vêra avêtin. Then one day, I threw [vomited] it up.
Bapîkê min çû, Çarşemî çû ferûc kaniya. My grandfather went, Wednesday he went and brought a chicken.
Go: "Bes degeha êzinga û avê, û beroşê xwe têkevîne, têkey tiştekî nîne". He said: "Just put the wood and water, and put your pot on, put it on, there is nothing [to worry about]."
"Haa, tiştê me hanî û madekê min jî tişt xwarin go hanî, veder e". "Yeah, we brought our things, and my stomach [could eat] the food he brought, it is separate."
Paşê me ferûca xwe anî, me yek û yekî ta jmara jerje kir, li ser kevir. Then we brought our chicken, we slaughtered them one by one according to the number, on the stone.
Û xwîna gindê de, yekî min pîçê xwe li ser çavê min hêşt. And inside the blood of the [sacrifice], one of them put a bit on my eye/gallbladder area.
Û me xwarin çêkir, qîçka cîran hatin derê, Cadê û Derê, me hesîra xist, û me xwarin çêkir û me xwar giştik a. And we made food, the girls of the neighbors came out, Jade and Dere, we laid down mats, and we made food and we all ate.
Hefta li serî nebû... seçavê min, çê bû. A week hadn't passed... my gallbladder got better.
Yanî giştik jî zanin. Meaning, everyone knows this.
Weleh. By God.
Lê çend sal e? Berî çend salan e? But how many years is it? How many years ago?
Şeş sal, heft sal hene. It's been six years, seven years.
Di salên berê da, gundiyan ava xwarin û vexwarin... In past years, villagers [obtained] their drinking and potable water...
Her wiha ava xebat û şûştinê jî, di gola di nava gund da peyda dikirin. Likewise, water for work and washing, they obtained from the lake in the middle of the village.
Gola ku ji ava baranê ya derdorê tijî dibû, heta dawiya salê dima. The lake, which filled up from the surrounding rainwater, would remain until the end of the year.
Jiber ava golê zêde bû, gund sal bi sal mezin bû. Because the lake water was abundant, the village grew year by year.
Û gelek malbatên din jî di gund da bicih bûn. And many other families also settled in the village.
Ji bilî şûştin û vexwarinê, gundiyan diyar kirin... Besides washing and drinking, the villagers stated...
Ku ew di nava golê da fêrî avjeniyê dibûn. That they used to learn swimming inside the lake.
Lê di çil û pêncî saliyên dawî da, gundiyan êdî dev ji ava golê berdan. But in the last forty or fifty years, the villagers have given up on the lake water.
Bîrên xwe yên avê peyda kirin, ew bîr kolan. They found their own water wells, they dug those wells.
Ev yek bû sedema gundî nema ava golê bikar bînin. This became the reason the villagers no longer use the lake water.
Û bi vî awayî gol hate paşguhkirin. And in this way, the lake was neglected.
Belê temaşevanên hêja, li vî gundî da jî, me goleke, goleke balkêş heye. Yes dear viewers, in this village too, we have a lake, an interesting lake.
Dibê gundî dibêjin, em pir feydê di vê avê dibînin. They say, the villagers say, we see a lot of benefit in this water.
Niha hinek li vir rûniştine, mêvan, bawim... Now some people are sitting here, guests, I believe...
Em ê bipirsin ser vê golê, ka ev gola ji kîngê da heye. We will ask about this lake, since when has this lake existed.
Dem baş. Good day.
Ehlen we sehlen, dem baş. Welcome, good day.
Navê wa bi xêr? Your name, please?
Navê min Hisên e. My name is Hisên.
Ser çava, navê bav? You're welcome, father's name?
Sawbê. Sawbe.
Ser çava. You're welcome.
Neha, me go em derbasî gundê wa bûn, gundê Dumiliya. Now, we said we entered your village, the village of Dumiliya.
Ehlen we sehlen. Welcome.
Sax bî. Me got golek li vir heye, ka em bipirsin vê golê, ew dîroka vê golê... ji kîngê da ye? Be healthy. We said there is a lake here, let us ask about this lake, the history of this lake... since when has it been here?
Ka tu, kî bêje? Tê bêje, ew bêje? Who, who will speak? Will you speak, or him?
Tu ferq nake. It makes no difference.
Temam, ka tu bêje. Okay, you speak.
Ehlen we sehlen. Welcome.
Bi xêra wa, em pê kêfxweş bûn. With your arrival/blessing, we are happy about it.
Ehlen we sehlen, ser seriyan û ser çavan. Welcome, upon our heads and upon our eyes (You are very welcome).
Em kanin hinekî ser dîroka golê ji we re şirove bikin. We can explain a little about the history of the lake for you.
Dîroka golê, bi dîroka gund re ye. The history of the lake is with the history of the village.
Yanî vî derî cih, me... tek anî tune ne, ta av, avzê ser erd tune ne. Meaning, this place, we... we don't have a single spring, until water, groundwater isn't on the surface.
Ev gola ji xwe re çêkirin, pê sebeb dîtin. They made this lake for themselves, they found a reason/use for it.
Dema vê golê çêkirin, bi her tiştî pê sebeb dîtin. When they made this lake, they found a use for it in everything.
Yanî, pezê xwe jê vedixwar, em qicik pev da jî cîlê... ew çaxê da, heta niha em bêjin, em cîlê şêstiya ne. Meaning, their sheep drank from it, us little kids inside it too... clothes... in that time, up until now let's say, we are the generation of the sixties.
Ez zanim, ji pênc şeş mehan da ştira bibêjim. I know, from five or six months I can say more accurately.
Ji wusa da û heta digihî min. From back then until it reaches me.
Ji wî çaxê da û heta, dîroka me nav... dîroka dûr, me ra teva li vê avgolê de'limîn avjeniyê. From that time until... our history inside... deep history, all of us learned swimming in this lake water.
Yanî te çi kûrana behra, te çi kûr... kuderê kaniyek xwe derxistana û bi se'eta... yanî bikirana. Meaning, whatever depth of the sea, whatever deep... wherever they brought out a spring and for hours... meaning, they did it.
Çiqas zexîreyên vî gundî hebûn... However much grain/provisions this village had...
Mewadê xwe yê salê, mûnetê salê dîtin an... Their materials for the year, finding the provisions for the year...
Li vir dişûştin? Did they wash them here?
Pev da li vê golê dişûştin. Inside, in this lake, they washed them.
A li vî derî, me heta jinê gund, dihatin, nav li vê kûrtê nanîn, kûrta Keroşiya. Right here, even the women of the village, would come, the name of this dip/hole they call, the Dip of Keroshiya.
Çiqas sosa mal hebûn, dihatin li vê kûrtê... However many household items there were, they came to this dip...
Beroşê xwe didan êr, xizikê xwe tînan, ava xwe germ dikirin, kuncê xwe gi dişûştin, serê xwe dişûştin. Put their pots on the fire, brought their wood, heated their water, washed their sesame, washed their heads.
Mûnetê xwe salê pev da diwedûdin. They processed their yearly provisions inside it.
Yanî feydeyekî pir mezin me ji vê golê didît. Meaning, we saw a very large benefit from this lake.
Bes gol ne bi vî rengî bû, gol pir mezin bû. But the lake wasn't like this (in this state), the lake was very big.
Em, ez giştimê, ez diketimê... Us, I reached it, I went into it...
Yanî bi zor zor a, be'dî çar pênc sala em rind elimîn heta ji vî serî me qit dikir, em digiştin wî serî. Meaning with great difficulty, after four or five years we learned well, until we could cut across from this side, reaching that side.
Yanî gol berê zêde pir bû, firetir bû? Meaning the lake used to be much fuller, wider?
Pir fire bû. It was very wide.
Yanî me çiqas avjenî dikir, me nikanî qit bikira. Meaning however much we swam, we couldn't cross it.
Demê li vî ortê me xwe berdidayê... When we dropped ourselves into the middle of it...
Yanî zor zor ji me pir... qîçik giring, î quwet xwe dikon bin e. Em nedigiştin bin e. Meaning very hard for us... young kids, [using] their strength to go to the bottom. We couldn't reach the bottom.
Ya bi çend metroya? How many meters was it?
E kûr bû, belkî deh metro kûr bû binê wî de. It was deep, maybe ten meters deep at its bottom.
Bes tim xetimî, xetimî, xetimî, kesê fe na da, e... yanî pê îetîna nekirin. But it kept silting up, silting up, silting up, nobody... uh... meaning they didn't take care of it.
A gol a no xetimî, gol li ber e sal bi sal... Now the lake has silted up, the lake previously year by year...
Demê li ber hişk dibû, me dihişt hişk bibê... When previously it would dry up, we let it dry up...
Me vedida, vî derê pir bilind bû, belkî bi metro nîv vî derê bilindtir bû. We would clear it out, this place was very high, maybe a meter and a half this place was higher.
Av dihat, û hemû malna tenê bûn. Hemû malna pev da tenê bûn. Water would come, and all the houses were few. All the houses inside were few.
Hemû malna gi çêm bû, wekî vê çêmî, av darekî dihat, ava gundê te digo belkî tu ji ava kaniyê vedixwî. All the houses [had] a stream, like this stream, water flowed like a tree (abundantly), the village water you would say perhaps you are drinking from spring water.
Yanî av zelal bû, pê avdest dikirin. Meaning the water was clear, they performed ablutions with it.
Li ser limêj dikirin, dibirin pê serê xwe dişûştin. They prayed by it, took it to wash their heads.
Yanî her feydayekî pir mezin me ji vê avê dikir. Meaning we got every huge benefit from this water.
Ev ava ji ku tê? Where does this water come from?
Ev ava ji tebîeta gund, ji baranê. This water is from the nature of the village, from rain.
Demê zivistanê tê? Does it come when winter comes?
Demê zivistanê baran bû, vî derê gîd, pev da çêm bû. When it rained in winter, this place completely, inside it became a river.
Yanî çêm... ma tê dibînî berya... Meaning a river... well you see the front...
Belkî nîv hafê çêmê ye. Yanî avim pir naqî, pir pak, pir kîbar dihat. Maybe half the edge is a river. Meaning the water came very clean, very pure, very fine.
Neha hûn vê avê naynin bi kar tînin? Now do you not bring/use this water?
Na, ev ava neha demeke li vir da... No, this water now for a time here...
Av heye, her malekê sehrîncek xwe kolaye. There is water, every house has dug its own cistern.
Bîr kolane. Demê av jî hişk bû, ji bîra tînin berdidinê. Dug wells. When the water dried up too, they bring from the wells and release into it.
A ji vê ye, em ber nadinê. Ava zû qit jî dibe, yanî zû xaş jî dibe. That's why, we don't release into it. The water runs out quickly too, meaning it goes bad/dries quickly too.
Av ne tê da, hinek ma? Roj jî germ dibe, avînê zû hişk dibe. If water isn't in it, just a little remains? The sun gets hot too, the water dries quickly.
Em tu feyde neha jê nabînin. We don't see any benefit from it now.
Ez spas dikim. I thank you.
Ehlen we sehlen. Welcome.
Spas, spas. Thanks, thanks.
Sax be, ehlen we sehlen, hevalê şerîf. Be healthy, welcome, noble friend.
Spas. Thanks.
Bi hatina oxa welat, ehlen we sehlen ser serê min û ser çavan. With the arrival of the breeze of the homeland, welcome upon my head and upon my eyes.
Çavê te sax bin. May your eyes be healthy.
Li kêleka golê, kevirekî kevin yê guvaştina zeytûna, jêra delîb tê gotin heye. Beside the lake, there is an old stone for pressing olives, which is called a "Delîb" (roller/press).
Gundiya gotin, delîb berê wekî alava guvaştina zeytûnan, ji aliyê gundiyan va dihate bikaranîn. The villagers said, the Delîb was formerly used by the villagers as a tool for pressing olives.
Lê piştî ku di salên dawî da, alavên pêşketî yên guvaştina zeytûnan derketin... But after advanced tools for pressing olives appeared in recent years...
Gundiyan delîb ji cihê wê derxistin. The villagers removed the Delîb from its place.
Carekê din jî delîb, ji karê hêrandina genim da dihate bikaranîn. Once again, the Delîb was also used in the work of grinding wheat.
Jiber vê yekê, cihê kevir bûbû cihê kombûna gundiyan. Because of this, the place of the stone had become a gathering place for the villagers.
Li vir sohbet dihate kirin. Conversation took place here.
Her wiha jineke gund gotin... Likewise, a woman of the village said...
Ku salên berê, dayikên wan li dora kevir kom dibûn... That in past years, their mothers gathered around the stone...
Heyranok digotin û teşî diristandin. They sang folk songs (Heyranok) and spun wool (with spindles).
Gundî dibêjin ku kevir ê hemû gundiyan bû. The villagers say that the stone belonged to all the villagers.
Her kesê zeytûnên xwe di anîn û bi vî kevirî zeytûnên xwe diguvaştin. Everyone brought their olives and pressed their olives with this stone.
Belê temaşevanên hêja, di gundê Dumiliya da jî, delîbek heye. Yes dear viewers, in the village of Dumiliya too, there is a Delîb (stone press).
Her gundekî ji çiyayê Kurmênc, delîbek tê da heye. Every village in the Kurmênc Mountain (Kurd-Dagh) has a Delîb in it.
Delîbek li vir jî heye, me dî, yeekî, delîbekî pir kevin e. There is a Delîb here too, we saw, one, a very old Delîb.
Apê Hesen li vir e. Merheba ji we re. Uncle Hesen is here. Hello to you.
Merheba. Hello.
Apê Hesen, ka ji me re dîroka vê bêje. Uncle Hesen, tell us the history of this.
Ev delîba ji çiqas sal da ye? Since how many years has this Delîb been here?
Dîroka vê, ev cî, textek, kevirê mehsere bû. Its history, this place, a bed/base, it was a press stone.
Wextê, ev kevir, ji tilê Cir-Cirê bimeşînin wani hatin, bi tûlkirinê. At the time, this stone, they rolled it from the hill of Cir-Cir (Cernas), they brought it like that, by rolling.
Li Sernarê? At Sernare?
Sernarê, binê Sernarê. Sernare, below Sernare.
Hem kevirê wani hatin... Both stones came like that...
Kê anî? Who brought it?
Galkê me anî, bavkê min anî, bavkê min wê çaxê emrê xwe wefat kir, nod sal bû. My grandfather brought it, my father brought it, my father at that time [when he] passed away his age was ninety years.
Emrê xwe bîst salî bû, hew jî bûye hewê erebî, dew... dumerî ya, guma kevir... His age was twenty years, that also became... [unclear phrase about Arab/Dew], a stone...
Jibo tûlkirine anî, mertîna digon... He brought it for rolling, Martin they called [it/him]...
Ji kişeblê dihatin, me lûr dihişt, em diroyî de diçûn digotin me bî tûlkirinê tîna. They came from Kisheble, we left the roller, we went in the ... they said we brought it by rolling.
E ev çiqas sal da ye? And how many years ago is this?
E teqrîben, kalê me, bavkê min emrê xwe... heştê nod sal bû. Uh approximately, our grandfather, my father's age was... eighty, ninety years.
We jî heştê sal e me. And that is eighty years for us.
Yanî, sed heftê sal, sed şêst sal, sed heftê sal e. Meaning, one hundred seventy years, one hundred sixty years, one hundred seventy years.
E tilê Cernasê ji vir gelek dûr e? Çawa anîn? And is the hill of Cernas very far from here? How did they bring it?
Dûr e. Ma bi tûlkirinê anî. It is far. Well, he brought it by rolling.
Bi meşê? By walking (rolling it along)?
Bê meşê, dîra kona çû kirî bûnê, her çar bigeh, çikê da, çara jî para tê veda da. Without walking [pulling], they had put stakes/poles... four oxen, in the front, and four pushing from behind.
Dûyî pêşiya dikşandin, dûyî paşiya dikşandin. Two pulled from the front, two pulled from behind.
Wê da ber jêre jî berda horê dikirin. Over there downhill, they let it roll down freely.
Gilkel şevlê da dihat, nûra dihiştin, dewar tine ne, makîne tine ne, tiştek tine ne. [If] it came to a steep slope, they left the roller, there were no cattle [machinery], no machines, nothing.
Ruyê didiçûn, teqreqa... darê xwe, hesabê yapê tûl dikirin, tînan dihatin... gandin mehsere, pê mehsere çêkirin. Wê çaxê meqbez, ev der tine bûn. Mehsere zeytûna bû. They went along the face [of the hill], knocking... their wood, rolling it by calculation, they brought it coming... they reached the press, made the press with it. At that time, metal presses, these didn't exist. It was an olive press.
Ya ev, teqrîben, çar pênc sal e, elbe ev kevir şixulî ma. Or this, approximately, four or five years, this stone worked for us.
Yanî destpêka anîn, kî derê, nîda bûn vir a? Meaning the beginning of bringing it, where, did they put it here?
No, anîn, vira bîst pênc sal li mehaniya vira. No, they brought it, here twenty five years in the vicinity of here.
Anîn, mahseran a'sûre bû... They brought it, the presses were squeezers...
Ebdê Mistoyê bû, maesera Ebdê Misto bû. It was Abde Misto's, it was Abde Misto's press.
Wanî gotin lûropî, maeserek pê zeytûnê me dikutan. They called it European, a press with which we used to crush olives.
Meqbes tune bûn, tişt tune bûn. There were no hydraulic presses, nothing.
Hêsin û elmet tune bûn, hacatê me gişt dar bûn. There was no iron or equipment, our tools were all wood.
Dar kê çêkiribûn? Li Şiyê, malê Dêxlê hebûn. Who made the wood? In Shiye, the Deghle family existed.
Malê Dêxlê, ew çaxê necar bûn, tiştî bûn. The Deghle family, back then they were carpenters, they were something.
Kimik û topan û hesab der gişt çêkirin, belkî mînak di şikestê da hebe. They made the screw head and rollers and everything, maybe there is a sample in the ruins.
Hêna îmkan darbas bibe em bibînin. If it's possible to go there, let's see it.
Wellehî... ku niha xwedanê xwe... hanê... malê hanê... By God... now its owners... you know... that family...
Gube kirî, tişt heye, tune ye, ez nizanim noka. [Maybe] they buried it, is it there, is it not, I don't know now.
Ev çend sal e we bikar anî ji bo zeytûna? How many years did you use this for olives?
Merbû... yanî zeytûnê hanê hat, meqbes derketin, zeytûn xelas bûn. Connec... I mean when those olives came, presses came out, the olives finished [the old way ended].
Yanî ew... meqbes derketin, meseleya wê xelas bû. I mean that... presses came out, its issue was finished.
Me anî hat biderê bîst-pênc sal, nîv elîgê delîbe. We brought it out about twenty-five years ago, this half- mortar [dibe].
Em pê bulxur dikutan. We used to pound bulgur with it.
Pê genim... With wheat...
Ha pê Hesen, dema ew kevir anî ye, hûsa bû lê, we çêkir, ev kevir? Ah Uncle Hesen, when that stone was brought, was it like that, or did you make it, this stone?
Na, ew çêkirine, Zilu derê çêkiriye, ew Zilu derê çêkiriye. No, it is made, Zilu valley made it, Zilu valley made it.
Wara cayîz anî wate. So they brought it ready-made here.
Wextê bavê kim, heye gotî... gotî me cayîz anî hat. When my father, he said... he said we brought it ready-made.
Dike berê çêkirî bû... kevir bû... asar bû... ewra nizanim. Since it was made before... it was stone... it was an artifact... that I don't know.
Wa ji bo zeytûna anî bîst û pênc salî ji bo anî vir? So you brought it here twenty-five years ago for olives?
Melbû... a melbûyî zeytûnê anî hat, meqbes derketin. Since... since the olives were brought, hydraulic presses came out.
Pîş... ew pişta tû, me anî hat biderê mehnê bulxur, mehnê deran. Aft... after that, we brought it out here for bulgur, for grains.
Noka jî mesela bulxur jî... noka alet derketî. And now the issue of bulgur too... now machines came out.
Em bulxurê xwe rast hem bardinê dikutan, rûniştin, rûyî dijî, destar tê em dagerin, xelas bû. We used to pound our bulgur right there in the mortar, sitting, facing each other, turning the hand-mill, it was finished.
Dihate şûştin jî. It was washed too.
Yanî mesela bê, delîbeyê noko ji mûzexaneyê ye. I mean if it's the issue, the mortar is now for the museum.
Yanî ard û ew jî we sekinandî? So flour and that too, you stopped?
Ar te hew jî sekinî, meseleke ard û... hew tişt bûn. That also stopped, the issue of flour and... those things were.
Ha pê Hesen, dema win dihatin, gund hemî dihat, rojê yek... yek dihat vir delîbê, bulxurê xwe danî? Ah Uncle Hesen, when you came, did the whole village come, one by one... did one come here to the mortar, to put their bulgur?
Na, ewa bi dorê bû, me ke çolê xwe anî hat. No, that was by turn, we brought our harvest from the field.
Me çolê xwe anî hat, îk teda ye xelas kira, dora kê ye bikuta. We brought our harvest, one is in it and finished, whose turn it is would pound.
Roja çara, pênca me dewar dikirê. On the fourth, fifth day we would take turns on it.
Sotin me go emê dewar ke, têk nehesib têke, emê wanî ke bikşînin, îk tışt dewar nemaye, tiştek nemaye. Then we said we would take turns, put in the uncounted ones, we would pull like that, not a single turn remains, nothing remains.
Spas Apê Hesen, ka em ji jina jî bipirsin, jina dema dihat vira, çi kar dikirin. Merheba dayê. Thanks Uncle Hesen, let's ask the women too, when women came here, what work they did. Hello mother.
Ehlen wa sehlen. Welcome.
Bê rûhet inşallah dayê. Be at ease God willing, mother.
Heqî te bê, kefî te bê, elhemdullah. Your right, your pleasure, praise be to God.
Sax be, dayê emrê te çiqas e? Bless you, mother how old are you?
Emrê min... şêst heye, li ser ez nizanim. My age... sixty is there, above that I don't know.
Şêst, heye, şêst, pêncî û şêst. Sixty, is there, sixty, fifty and sixty.
Xwedê emrekî xweş bide te. May God give you a good life.
Sagol, saeta te xweş. Thanks, good health to you.
Naha dayê, dema win dihatin ser vê delîbê... Now mother, when you came to this mortar...
Wana tiştên kevin dihatin bîra we, dema navê wê jî derbas dibû, çawa dihat bîra we? Those old things came to your mind, when its name was mentioned, how did it come to your mind?
Ya em kê çi bikin? Dadihatin... sille bulxur dikutan. What did you do?
Ya em kê çi bikin? Dadihatin... sille bulxur dikutan. Oh what would we do? We used to come... pound bulgur in groups.
Paşê jî me tenekek, tenekekî genimê xwe yê boynax, me lê pêtê kir û me dikutan. Then we took a tin, a tin of our 'boynax' wheat, put it in and pounded.
Wextî bûyot... ma rezwanê yanê bîndinê genim... It was the time... the harvest season, I mean the time of reaping wheat...
Me genim dikir, berê ser xenerê rêxist û me hişk bikira û... We prepared the wheat, first spread it on the mat and dried it and...
Wa kû dişûşt? Where did you wash it?
Me... genim şûştin na garek, me divir de şil dikir, çîçk av lê dikir û şil dikir. We... washing wheat isn't necessary, we wet it right here, sprinkled some water and wet it.
Û me dibir li çolê rêxist û ba difirand da. And we took it to the field, spread it out and let the wind blow through.
Wextî çikî hişk bû, me lê ba dikir, ayîl me sêw... gemarê jê diçû. When it dried a bit, we winnowed it, the sieve we... the dirt went away from it.
Û me dibir ba arta, tûyî xwe kir, aşta zivistanê, me şîf kir. And we took it to the flour [mill], made our provisions, winter provisions, we milled it.
Hê, genim yanê hewa genim bû, û bulxur dikutan. Yes, wheat, I mean it was just wheat, and they pounded bulgur.
Nasî destê rebata... Then the hand of the sieve...
Me hişk bikira, destê rebata, ê bihêrda, me jê lber ayîl û bêjingê têda kir. We dried it, the sieve hand, ground it, we put it through the screen and sieve.
Û hûr û girs me ji ser daxist, hûrî bibin daxist, kepek me avêtikî daxist, dewarê pîreka berê hebû. And we separated fine and coarse, put down the fine, threw down the bran, the old women had livestock back then.
Noka qûla yî wiya? Now is it easier like this?
Hê, noka qûla yî wiya. Yes, now it's easier like this.
Lê jiyana berê xweş bû? But was life in the past good?
Lê? Hewa bêhna xweş bû. But? It was a pleasant breath/vibe.
Xweş bû de helo taze nemaye. Rim bû. It was good but now there is no freshness left. It was peaceful.
Jiyan çawa bû, gundî bi hevra çawa bûn? How was life, how were the villagers with each other?
Xweş bûn. They were good.
Ê de çol, pênc mal, çar mal, ew hêsê bûn, de gûr, mala, ke, ewa hesibê kêçê bû, weha dikutan û... hazir dikirin. It was empty/rural, five houses, four houses, they were neighbors, the crowd, families, who, that was the account of the girl [bride?], they pounded like that and... prepared.
Spas saeta te xweş. Thanks, good health to you.
Wata jî xweş. To you too.
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Tiştên bala mirov dikişîne, gundî piraniya gundiyên berê, yan di nava bajarê Helebê jiyan dikirin... Things that attract attention, the villagers, the majority of villagers before, either lived in the city of Aleppo...
...û tenê di dema kar û bêdiviyan da serdana gund dikirin. ...and only visited the village during work and necessities.
Lê piştî şoreşa Rojava, gundî gav bi gav vegeriyan gundê xwe. But after the Rojava revolution, villagers gradually returned to their village.
Karê xwe yê li Helebê, êdî di gunda dimeşînin. They now carry out their work from Aleppo in the villages.
Belê temaşevanên hêja, di gundê Dumilya da jî tiştekî pir baş me dît. Yes dear viewers, in the village of Dumilya we also saw something very good.
Me'melek li vir heye, me'mela zeytûna ye. There is a factory here, an olive factory.
Li vira hemî wek xuyan dît, pêşiya me ne jî. Here as you saw, in front of us too.
Tiştekî pir baş e, di gund da karê xwe dikin. It is a very good thing, they do their work in the village.
Berê ev kara li Helebê dikirin, naha vegeriyan gundê xwe dikin û karker jî datînin li vir jî kar dikin. Before they did this work in Aleppo, now they returned to their village and do it, and employ workers to work here too.
Naha xwediyê xwo li vir e, Xelîl. Merheba. Now its owner is here, Xelil. Hello.
Ser çava, ehlen wa sehlen bi hatina we, ser ser û ser çava. You're welcome, welcome to your arrival, upon head and upon eyes.
Spas. Berê te li Helebê ev kara dikir? Thanks. Did you do this work in Aleppo before?
Teybetî min li Helebê dikir, piştî ev rewşa qewimî, cîhê li Helebê xera bû... Specifically I did it in Aleppo, after this situation happened, the place in Aleppo was ruined...
...talan bû, em vegeriyan gundê xwe, welatê xwe. ...it was looted, we returned to our village, our country.
Me xwest vê febrîqê em livir da çêkin. We wanted to build this factory right here.
Û vê karê zeytûna em ji zû da vê karî dikin. And this olive work, we have been doing this work for a long time.
Û miletê kurd û gund bi teybetî sîfade ji vê febrîqê dibînin. And the Kurdish people and the village specifically benefit from this factory.
Karker têde dişuxulin, em jî karê xwe dikin û her kes jî karê xwe dike. Workers work in it, we do our work and everyone does their work.
Û muzari' jî tên viderê, ew amûwan jî bi hevdira mûtefiq nin. And farmers also come here, we and them are in agreement with each other.
Ber bihayî me bi hevda heye yek, di alî sêrî da jî û di alî şixul da jî. Regarding our price, we are together [in agreement], in terms of price and in terms of work.
Û her kes tê viderê, yanî kêf xweş, tu kes naye... tu şikestî ji mera nayên. And everyone comes here, I mean happy, no one comes... no complaints come to us.
Û ev karê zeytûna bidayet em dikin. And we do this olive work from the beginning.
Çiqa karker ba te kar dikin? How many workers work with you?
Welle karker... di mûsimê da heya bîst heba hene û zêdetir jî... yanî bîst, bîst, heya bîst û pênc kesa alîkariyê dikin li vira dişuxulin. Well workers... in the season there are up to twenty, and even more... I mean twenty, twenty, up to twenty-five people help and work here.
Ji xera maaş distînin. They receive salaries from it.
Û çend heyva kar dikin li vir da? And how many months do they work here?
Aa... reîsî... yanî aa... tebî zehmet, di sê heyvê da, karê yanî... ser hev dem dişuxulin. Uh... principally... I mean uh... the hard labour, in three months, work is... they work continuously.
Û piştî wê heya şeş mehê jî kar cem me heye. And after that, we have work for up to six months.
Yanî dike be heşt meh karê zeytûna hên em dikin. I mean roughly eight months we still do olive work.
Heşt meh û bêtir jî. Mûsimê, heya mûsimê zeytûn cem me digihînin hevdu. Eight months and more too. The season, until the [next] olive season reaches us.
Difişiyê kû derê? Where do you send it?
Ev zeytûn piraniya wî diherin bajarê Qamişlo, Dêrîkê, serê kaniyê, Cizîrê teva îdarin, heya Kobanê jî dare. Most of these olives go to the city of Qamishlo, Derik, Sere Kaniye, the whole Jazira [region] takes it, it goes as far as Kobane.
Bes aa tevfî reîsî dare, merkeza reîsî Qamişlo ye. But the main bulk goes, the main center is Qamishlo.
Û li viderê jî şirîkê me jî hene li viderê teb'en. And here we have partners here too of course.
Û li bajarê din jî hene, Şamê jî hene, li derva jî hene. And in other cities there are [customers], in Damascus too, outside too.
Derdikevin heya bi Amerîka diherin zeytûnê me. Our olives go out as far as America.
Bes aa niha yanî... çikê rêwş xerabe ye, mewad kêmin, satil kêmin... But uh now... since the situation is bad, materials are scarce, buckets are scarce...
...yanî her tişt kême, em nikarin derbas kin derva. ...I mean everything is scarce, we cannot pass it outside.
Tiştê herî baş bûn, karê xwa dikin, ev tişkî baş e. The best things were, they do their work, this is a good thing.
Naha em dinêrin, evna hemî zeytûn in. Ka ferqa van ji min ra bêje, naha ev jî zeytûn e, ev jî zeytûn e. Now we look, these are all olives. Tell me the difference between them, now this is olive, this is olive too.
Çi ferq na berê van hene? What difference is there between them?
Ewa naskirin bidim ser vê zeytûna, her inik bi sinfê kî xwa ye, her yek navekî xwa jî heye. I will give an introduction on these olives, each one is of its own class, each one has its own name too.
Navê wan bêje. Say their names.
Navê wan bêjim. Ev zeytûnê hûr... ev ê mantiqa Efrînê, ê esasî zeytûnê zeytê vêra dibên. I will say their names. These small olives... these are from the Afrin region, the main ones, they call them oil olives.
Ê zeytî Kurdaxê, ev zeytûn in, vê rengî nin. The Kurdagh oil ones, these are the olives, they are this color.
Gişt bi zeyta... zeyta wan pir e. Zeyta wan pir e. All with oil... their oil is plentiful. Their oil is plentiful.
Ev jî ê viderê ne, ê mantiqê me, evagî herêma me ne, yanî tiştî derva tîne. These are from here, our region, these are all our local region, not brought from outside.
Çi vêra dibêjin navê xwa? What do they call them, their name?
Ev zeytûnê Xelxalî vêra dibên. They call these Xelxalî olives.
Zeytûnê Xelxalî... ev birengê vana, ne bes vê şeklî çêdibin, gelek rengê wên şêrîn dibin, dendik jî derdikevin. Xelxalî olives... these with this color, not only this shape is made, many types of them become sweet, pits are removed too.
Wek vana xuyatin jî. Like these appearing too.
Ev jî... ev jî Xelxalî ne, alet tektîs hatî çêkirin, kelsandinê, şirîn in, caîz in. These too... these are also Xelxalî, made with the pressing tool, calcification, they are sweet, they are ready.
Ev çikî tehlbûn ser heye, ev şirîn caîz in. Hemû caîz in bes ta'm ixtilaf e. These have a bit of bitterness on them, these are sweet and ready. All are ready but the taste is different.
Ev jî... wek wane, ew jî bes rengê wan reş e. These too... like those, they too but their color is black.
Ev jî zeytûnê belek in vêra dibêjin, reng û reng in. These they call 'belek' [pied] olives, they are mixed colors.
Ev jî ê mantiqê herêma me ne. These are also from our local region.
Ev jî zeytûnê mehşî vêra dibên, ev wek salata tê çêkirin, ev ûsûta em dixin nav... navkê wan da. These they call 'mehşî' [stuffed] olives, this is made like salad, this way we put into... into their inside.
Ev zeytûnê reş in. Û ev jî zeytûnê reng û reng in. These are black olives. And these are mixed color olives.
Û ev jî zeytûnê şikestî ne. And these are cracked olives.
Û ev jî hatî teblandin bi ûsûta, bi dimsa ûsûta, bi dimsa henara hatî çêkirin. And these are seasoned with methods, with molasses methods, made with pomegranate molasses.
Ev jî zeytûnê berav in, ne ê vê herêmê ne, bes bizrê wan ji derva hatî, me li vir çandin. These are irrigated olives, not of this region, but their seeds came from outside, we planted them here.
We tişkî din jî we naskirim bidim, em umrê zeytûna jî zanin, darê wan çiqas in, salê wan. And another thing I will introduce to you, we know the age of olives too, how much their trees are, their years.
Naha ev çend roja heya şirîn dibin, çawa çend roja berxwe dide? Now how many days until these become sweet, how many days does it take?
Wellehî kêmayî nikê me, da hîv lazimê wana heya şîrîn bibin. By God, at least for us, up to a month is needed for them until they become sweet.
Bidayet, têne zeytûn dişîn in, em di wan da dişuxulin. In the beginning, olives come green/blue, we work on them.
Em ava wan diguherin, gor eyara wan xwa dixin ji şazdeh heya bîst û yekê eyara xwê heye. We change their water, according to their calibration we put salt from sixteen to twenty-one degrees of salt.
Ez bi şikra me te be. Thank you very much.
Kerem ke. You are welcome.
Ev zeytûn, em ê vê... This olive, we will...
Mûzareatî ne ji me ra, em wilo dikin... Farming isn't just for us, we do it like this...
Em zeytûnê wan cûdetê wan nas bikin. We should recognize the quality of their olives.
Emrê wan çiqas e, darê wan, vê rengî em wilo dikin. How old they are, their trees, in this way we do it like this.
Vê şeklê hana. In this shape here.
Em dinêrin dexta zeytûnê çiqas e ye. We look at how much the olive yield is.
Em zanibin ev zeytûn emrê wan çiqas e, darê da. So we know what the age of these olives is, on the tree.
Dara ciwan çawa ye, dara pîr çawa ye. How a young tree is, how an old tree is.
Ev dar ciwan e, emrê wan bîst sal in teqrîben. This tree is young, its age is approximately twenty years.
Yanî du sal kêm, du sal zêde, em... naxame. Meaning two years less, two years more, we... it's not raw.
Li ber vê hewî dexta we yê hûrd e. Because of this weather, its fruit is small.
Zeytûn noekî têvî baş, ev no e. An olive type that is quite good, is this type.
Ev no gelekî baş e, dexta wan zêde ye. This type is very good, their yield is high.
Ferqa xwe çiye? What is the difference?
Ferq... ferq di nerbûn û hişkbûn da heye. Difference... there is a difference in softness and hardness.
Yanî zeytûn divê wek... çawa bin... wek gêzera bê xwarin. Meaning olives should be like... how should they be... eaten like carrots.
Yanî deng bide devê meriv. Meaning it should make a sound in one's mouth.
Anha meselen ev zeytûn... Now for example this olive...
Evê zeytûnê reng û reng. These olives of various colors.
Emrê wan, darê wan gelekî pîr e, mezin e. Their age, their tree is very old, big.
Zeytûn nerm in. The olives are soft.
Û firotina wê çawa ye? And how is its sale?
Yeke... dê... ew cuda ye. Each... well... that is different.
Firotina wan her hinek bi tûnekî ye. Their sale is each by a certain way.
Es'ar reng bi hene, yanî buha hene, erzan hene. There are various prices, meaning there are expensive ones, cheap ones.
Hesebî cûdê hene, meselen zeytûn... There are calculations of quality, for example olives...
Yanî qesta min ew bû, ev te digot ciwan e? Meaning my intention was that, you said this one is young?
Û evê mezin, darê mezin. Çawa? And the big one, the big tree. How is it?
Ferq nîne bes ev hiltîne, yanî heyat du sala jî, sê sala jî ev zeytûn em kinêran. There is no difference but this one keeps, meaning for life, even two years, three years, we store these olives.
Firotina wê baş e? Is its sale good?
Xwarina wê baş e. Its taste is good.
Û berxwedide, ji berxera nabin ha. And it lasts, it doesn't spoil quickly, see.
Ev zeytûnê hana reng û reng, emrê wan sal e, kil cemidî dimîne. These olives here of various colors, their age is a year, they stay solid.
Piştî salekê nema tehmûl dike. After a year, it doesn't endure anymore.
Ev zeytûn, ev heyat sê sala jî, ev no, berdarê wan ciwan e. This olive, this lasts even three years, this type, their fruit is young.
Heyat sê sala jî bi mera hiltê, tê xwarin yanî. Even for three years it keeps for us, it is eaten, meaning.
Tesîra wan neke... nake. It doesn't affect them... it doesn't.
Feyda wan gelekî baş e. Ev zeytûn. Their benefit is very good. This olive.
Û ev zeytûnê hana jî, ew jî vê rengî ne, yanî xurt in, ciwan in. And these olives here too, they are also of this kind, meaning strong, young.
Berxwedide. It endures.
Ev zeytûn emrê wan, ev zeytûn hana, ev mukeles in em dibêjin. These olives, their age, these olives here, these are 'mukeles' as we say.
Zêdetirî şeş heyva çênabe were xwarin. It cannot be eaten for more than six months.
Şeş heyva da divê bê xwarin xelas be. Within six months it must be eaten and finished.
Piştî şeş heyva ev no xera dibe. After six months, this type spoils.
Lê ev yanî me bi teklîsê çêkirî, ne tebîet e. But this one we made with processing, it's not natural.
Evê din hemû tebîî ye. Sedî sed. All the others are natural. One hundred percent.
Xweşbûna vê jî heye. This also has its deliciousness.
Bes xwarinê ra, ez zêdetirî şeş heyva berxwed nade. But for eating, I... it doesn't last more than six months.
Û zeytûnê me bi vê rengî em pêşkêşî nasê kerem dikin. And our olives are in this manner, we present them to dear guests.
Erê, spas ji te ra jî. Yes, thank you too.
Spas ji we ra jî, ser ser û ser çava hatine we. Thanks to you too, you are welcome upon our heads and eyes.
Siheta we xweş, memnûn in ji we. Health to you, we are grateful to you.
Spas. Thanks.
Jina gundî bi ked û hezkirina xwezayî va pir girêdayî bûn. The village woman was very connected to labor and the love of nature.
Û tiştê ku ji dayîk û bavê xwe girtibûn, wekî di malê xwe da hilanîna. And the things they had received from their mother and father, they preserved in their home.
Û pir bi awaldarî li wan dinêrîn. And they looked after them with great care.
Jinan, alav û bermahiyên kevin nîşana me da, hestên xwe anîn ziman. Women expressed their feelings through the old tools and remnants shown to us.
Belê temaşevanên hêja, li vir jî em gihîştin dawiya bernameya xwe. Yes dear viewers, here too we have reached the end of our program.
Em ê xatira xwe ji we bixwazin, ji gundê Dimîlya, ji eşîra Dimîlya. We will say goodbye to you, from the village of Dimilya, from the Dimilya tribe.
Ji nav kurdê meyî Zaza. From among our Zaza Kurds.
Ka heya xelekek din, li benda me bin, dîsa em ê bi hev ra bin. Until another episode, wait for us, we will be together again.