1 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:35,000 Ka ev çiye? Ji me ra li ser vê bêje. What is this? Tell us about this. 2 00:00:42,000 --> 00:01:02,000 Heva hekîb e, vêra dibên hekîb. This is a saddlebag, they call this a hekîb. 3 00:10:00,000 --> 00:10:04,000 Axildarê xorî şûnda em cîhê xwe biguherin. After the cattle owners [left], we changed our location. 4 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:09,000 Ji Gewrkan hatin, li vira malbatê xwe danîn. They came from Gewrkan and settled their families here. 5 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:13,000 Yanê divê dema hatin, eyna malbat nebûn, hemû li vir bûn, piştre bere xwe dan vira? Meaning, when they came, they weren't separate families, they were all here [together], then they headed this way? 6 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:20,000 Belê, hemû li vir bûn, bere xwe dan vira, li vira malbatê xwe danîn û gundê xwe çêkirin. Yes, they were all here, they headed this way, settled their families here, and built their village. 7 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:24,000 Apê Mihemed, noha di gundê Maseka de çend malbat hene? Uncle Mihemed, currently, how many families are there in the village of Maseka? 8 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:30,000 Malbatê... sifte, ê gund çêkirin e, mala Ecko şeqe pî (Ecê Qepê). The families... firstly, the ones who built the village, are the family of Ecko Sheqe Pi (Ece Qepe). 9 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,000 Mala Misî Yûsiv. The Misi Yusiv family. 10 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,000 Mala Mistik Xedê. The Mistik Xede family. 11 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:38,000 Mala Elî Qere. The Eli Qere family. 12 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:41,000 Mala Kenîn. The Kenin family. 13 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,000 Mala Durdu. The Durdu family. 14 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:45,000 Mala Bildirêjê. The Bildirêj (Tall Bill) family. 15 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Mala Hecî Şikeftka. The Heci Shikeftka family. 16 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,000 Mala Şêxê Bilkê. The Shexê Bilkê family. 17 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Mala Hevidî. The Hevidi family. 18 00:10:54,000 --> 00:11:00,000 Va malbatana... ev na... geh xwak [xelk] bîrakî hev dildan, hev du kûm bûn. These families... these names... sometimes people cared for one another, they gathered together. 19 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:06,000 Û gelî bira, cîranliqî kirin û hev du ra eyaşîn, ser ax, turaba xwe. And brothers, they acted as neighbors and lived together on their land, their soil. 20 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:11,000 Belê, yanê, belkî te hesiband, deh malbat in? Deh malbat vê gundî da ne? Yes, so, perhaps you counted them, are there ten families? Are there ten families in this village? 21 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:16,000 Deh malbat... Mala Ecko şeqe pî yek. Ten families... The family of Ecko Sheqe Pi is one. 22 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:19,000 Mala Misî Yûsiv didu. The Misi Yusiv family is two. 23 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Mala Mistik Xedê sisê. The Mistik Xede family is three. 24 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:25,000 Mala Qere çar. The Qere family is four. 25 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:27,000 Mala Kenîn pênc. The Kenin family is five. 26 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,000 Mala Durdu şeş. The Durdu family is six. 27 00:11:29,000 --> 00:11:31,000 Mala Hevidî heft. The Hevidi family is seven. 28 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,000 Mala Kenîn heşt. The Kenin family is eight. [He repeats Kenin] 29 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Mala Şêxê Bilkê neh. The Shexê Bilkê family is nine. 30 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,000 Mala Bekir Cadan deh. The Bekir Cadan family is ten. 31 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:43,000 Mala Hecî Şikeftka, donzde [yanzde] yek. The Heci Shikeftka family, eleven. 32 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:46,000 Yanzde malbat livir bûn ne? Ê gund çiqas, sê mala? Eleven families were here, right? How big is the village, regarding households? 33 00:11:46,000 --> 00:11:54,000 Ê gund teqriben, be'dî va herba çêbû, gund pirr bêjêr bû. The village, approximately, after this war happened, the village went down [decreased] a lot. 34 00:11:54,000 --> 00:12:00,000 Sekanê xwe kêm bûn. Paşê hatin her kesî malbata xwe... Its inhabitants decreased. Then they came back, everyone to their family... 35 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:05,000 Zêde bûn, gund teqriben nok no du sed mal heye. They increased, the village currently has approximately two hundred households. 36 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:08,000 Yanî dema berî şoreşê, hemû li bajara bûn? So, during the time before the revolution, were they all in the cities? 37 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:16,000 Hemû li bajara bûn, Bela bûn, Reqqa, Helebê, Şamê, Humsê, bajarê Sûriyê gi bûn. They were all in the cities, dispersed. Raqqa, Aleppo, Damascus, Homs, they were in all the cities of Syria. 38 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:23,000 Wezîfa da bûn, dera da bûn, paşê fitilîn ser malbata xwe, gundê xwe, ax, turaba xwe. They were in jobs (government service), in places, then they returned to their families, their village, their land, their soil. 39 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:31,000 Ê heye mala xwe girt, ê heye tev viragê xwe bûn... quweta xwe bûn... cerda mala xwe girt. Those who were there occupied their houses, those who were there were with their relatives... with their strength... they took back their homes. 40 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:36,000 Apê Mihemed, noha wek gundê Maseka, win debarê xwe bi çi dikin? Win çi diçînin? Uncle Mihemed, now, as the village of Maseka, how do you make a living? What do you plant? 41 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:40,000 Debara me... maşalla zîraeta me gi heye. Our livelihood... Mashallah, we have all kinds of agriculture. 42 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:51,000 Ji zeytûna diçînin, ji hemizxana [bêstan] diçînin. Zîraeta ji nûka, nîskan, ceh, genim, bîstana. We plant olives, we plant vegetable gardens. Agriculture like now, lentils, barley, wheat, orchards. 43 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:59,000 Weke bîstan, zebeş, qawîn, dar hewa gi zîraet in. Like orchards, watermelons, melons, trees, air, it's all agriculture. 44 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:01,000 Yanî ardê we baş e, hemû tişt tê da şîn dibe? So your land is good, everything grows in it? 45 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:06,000 Baş e, ardê me derê avî ji heye, derê bejî ji heye. It is good, our land has irrigated parts, and it has rain- fed (dry) parts. 46 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Û şe'bê me maşalla, Xwedê lê razî be, rihetê be û intac dike, xwe muhtacî tiştî nake. And our people, Mashallah, may God be pleased with them, they are comfortable and productive, they don't make themselves in need of anything. 47 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:22,000 Û ciwanê we çi dikin? Piraniya, yanî... dadi, ev te biçî kîjan gundî, hemû kesê temenmezin divê karên da îş dikin. And what do your youth do? The majority, I mean... Uncle, whichever village you go to, all the elderly people work in these jobs. 48 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,000 Ê ciwan wek xurtê we çi karî dikin? What kind of work do the youth, your young men, do? 49 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,000 Xurtê me ê heye wezîfa da bûn. Our young men, some were in government jobs. 50 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:31,000 Ê heye çûne Ewrûpa. Some have gone to Europe. 51 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:39,000 Dest meîşetê, dera çiçik cewhat gerî, ê he ji vir da ji zîraeta xwe dişuxile. [Looking for] a livelihood, wandering around places a little, and those who are here work on their agriculture. 52 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:48,000 Ser milk û malê xwe ye, ser ax, turaba xwe ye. Dişuxile, karê xwe dike, mala xwe da ye, ser malbata xwe, zarê xwe, qîçkê xwe da ye. They are on their property and home, on their land and soil. They work, do their jobs, are in their homes, with their families, their children, their little ones. 53 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,000 Mala te ava be, saet te xweş. May your home be prosperous, thank you (health to your hour). 54 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:53,000 Saeta we giya xweş, ehlen we sehlen. Health to all your hours, welcome. 55 00:13:53,000 --> 00:14:11,000 Û Xwedê hewa me zêde bike, heskirinê koma zêde bike, destê xwe bi destê hev din, qelbê me giya hev ra safî bike. And may God increase our atmosphere [unity], increase the love among us, let us join hands, and may our hearts be pure towards one another. 56 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:15,000 Gundê Maseka yek ji gundê navçeya Recû ya kantona Efrînê ye. The village of Maseka is one of the villages in the Rajo district of the Afrin canton. 57 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:18,000 Û li bakurê navenda navçeyê dikeve. And it is located to the north of the district center. 58 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,000 Serdema avakirina gund tam ne diyar e. The exact era of the village's founding is not known. 59 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:26,000 Lê tê gotin ku ji nêzî çarsed salî va hatiye avakirin. But it is said that it was founded nearly four hundred years ago. 60 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:36,000 Welatiyên gund diyar kirin ku beriya nêzî sêsed salî hemû şîniyên gund ji ber nexweşiya wêranê koçber bûn. The citizens of the village stated that nearly three hundred years ago, all the inhabitants of the village migrated due to a devastating illness. 61 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:39,000 Û piştî demekê ji nûva li gundê xwe vegeriyan. And after a while, they returned to their village anew. 62 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:50,000 Piştî şoreşa Rojavayê, û ji ber aloziya li Sûriyê, piraniya welatiyên ku ji gund koçberî bajarên mezin ên Sûriyê bûbûn, vegeriyan û ji nûva gundê xwe vejenandin. After the Rojava revolution, and due to the crisis in Syria, the majority of the citizens who had migrated from the village to the large cities of Syria returned and revived their village anew. 63 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:54,000 Niha jî bêtirî sêsed malbatî li gund dijîn. Currently, more than three hundred families live in the village. 64 00:14:54,000 --> 00:15:14,000 Gundê Maseka wekî piraniya gundê navçeya Recû, bi kevirên xwe yên reş ku bi madeya hesin dewlemend e, tê naskirin. The village of Maseka, like the majority of the villages in the Rajo district, is known for its black stones which are rich in iron minerals. 65 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:30,000 Belê temaşevanên hêja, di gundê Maseka da jî behsa Kevirê Kuxikê kirin. Yes, dear viewers, in the village of Maseka, they also mentioned the "Coughing Stone" (Kevirê Kuxikê). 66 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:34,000 Me jî meraq kir, em darbask ba kevir bibin, em vî kevirî bibînin. We were also curious to pass by the stone, to see this stone. 67 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:41,000 Dibêjin Kevirê Kuxikê. Ez û dayika va jî em darbas bûn, me got em ê dîroka vî kevirî bipirsin. They call it the Coughing Stone. The mother and I passed by, and we said we would ask about the history of this stone. 68 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:42,000 Merheba ji we ra. Hello to you. 69 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000 Ehlen we sehlen. Welcome. 70 00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Dayê, ka ji me ra bêje, te got Kevirê Kuxikê? Mother, tell us, you said the Coughing Stone? 71 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:46,000 Me jî meraq kir, em hatin ber vê reket û di vê germê da. Yes. 72 00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:49,000 Me jî meraq kir, em hatin ber vê reket û di vê germê da. We were curious too, we came to this slope in this heat. 73 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:53,000 Ehlen we sehlen. Ser serê me, ser çavê me. Welcome. Upon our heads, upon our eyes (You are very welcome). 74 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:58,000 Pîra me digot... yanî kuxik bi qutka dikeve. Our grandmother used to say... meaning, the cough effects the child. 75 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,000 Bi tîna dibû ra darbas dikir? Did they pass them through the opening? 76 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:06,000 Me paşxwe nedinêrî... ne ji vir ba, ne ji wî ba. Sibe zûkî, berî roye. We wouldn't look back... neither from this side nor that side. Early morning, before the sun [rises]. 77 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:10,000 Yanî dema zarok nexweş dikeve, bi sermê dikeve, ew nexweş dikeve, kuxikê dikeve. So when a child gets sick, catches a cold, gets sick, gets a cough. 78 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,000 Wa danî zarok gubel vir çi dikir? When you brought the child here, what did you do? 79 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,000 Me di bin ra darbas dikir, me'nê kuxika xwe çêbibe. We passed them underneath it, meaning so their cough would heal. 80 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,000 Wa di bin ra darbas dikir? You passed them underneath? 81 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:16,000 E wa çawa darbas dikir? Yes. 82 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,000 E wa çawa darbas dikir? And how did you pass them through? 83 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:25,000 Yek liviya alî bû, yek liviya alî bû. Me di bin ra darbas dikir, û me paşxwe nedinêrî, berî roye. One person was on this side, one person was on that side. We passed them underneath, and we didn't look back, before the sun [rose]. 84 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:26,000 Eger êvarî bûya? What if it was evening? 85 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:27,000 Na, êvarî nabe. No, evening doesn't work. 86 00:16:27,000 --> 00:16:29,000 Eger evarî bûya, hagar sibê bûya? If it was evening, [or] if it was morning? 87 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,000 Em dihatin me paşxwe nedinêrî, û em diçûn jî pê de dikir. We would come without looking back, and when we left, we continued [without looking back]. 88 00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:34,000 Wa çend caran zarok di bin ra darbas dikir? And how many times did you pass the child underneath? 89 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:38,000 Wele, tobilek heye çêdibû, û ê heye jî sê cara em dihatin. Well, some would heal [after one time], and for some, we came three times. 90 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,000 No, wa zarok carek tenê di bin ra darbas dikir? No, did you pass the child underneath only once? 91 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:41,000 Na, sê neqla. No, three times (transfers). 92 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,000 Sê neqla? Three times? 93 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,000 Me dida destê hevdu, sê cara me di bin ra darbas dikir. We handed [the child] to each other, three times we passed them underneath. 94 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,000 Wa digot çi dema wa zarok tîra digerand, wa digot çi? What did you say when you passed the child through, did you say anything? 95 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:50,000 Me digot Xwedê bisebeb ke, me bankî Xwedê dikir. We said "God make this the cause [of cure]", we called upon God. 96 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,000 Me digot Xwedê bisebeb ke, û bê kuxikê rake. We said "God make this the cause, and remove the cough." 97 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:59,000 Neqlî heye, yanî em diçûn, tobe lirihet dibû. Neqlî heye, em dîsa dihatin. There were times, meaning we went, and they healed completely. There were times we came again. 98 00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:02,000 Û me te ra darbas dikir û rihet dibû, Elhemdu lîllah? And you passed them through and they healed, Praise be to God? 99 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,000 Belê. Yes. 100 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,000 Yanî bawerî ke, ewa, însan qenaet dike, bawerî ya xwe pê dike, tewra rihet dibe. So, keep the faith, that is it, a person has conviction, puts their faith in it, then they heal. 101 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:13,000 Belê, qeneet. Ewa qeneetê dinerit. Wextê te qenaet nekir, yanî te herê kuderê, qenaet çênabe. Yes, conviction. It depends on conviction. If you don't have conviction, meaning wherever you go, conviction [healing] won't happen. 102 00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:15,000 Hevab qenaetê yekî çêbibe. It must happen with one's conviction. 103 00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:19,000 E di gund da... Te zarokê te hene, te zarokê xwe anî vir? And in the village... Do you have children, did you bring your children here? 104 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,000 Sê neql kewa hînok, û min ê bîkê xwe jî du-sê cara hîna. Three times like that [for mine], and I brought my daughter- in-law's two or three times. 105 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000 Neşmê ye? Is it Neshme? 106 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:31,000 Na. Ê bîkê xwe min ne anî. Wextê qîçkê me hebûn, me tînan dihatin. Hîn pîra me xweş bî, digot were bimin ra. No. I didn't bring my daughter-in-law's. When we had little ones, we brought them. While our grandmother was alive (well), she would say "come with me". 107 00:17:31,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Me tîna dihatin, pîra min dihat, em diçûn jî pê de dikir. We brought them, my grandmother came, and when we left, we continued [without looking back]. 108 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,000 Me wilo dikirin, rihet dibûn. Û xêrî me jî tînan di bin ra darbas dikirin. Xwedê dikir delîl. We did that, and they healed. And others besides us brought them and passed them underneath. God made it a guide [cure]. 109 00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:39,000 Te jî didayê anî ne? Zarokê xwe? Did you also bring yours to the mother [stone]? Your children? 110 00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:42,000 Ewele, ez ne jivî gundî me, ez paşê hatime. Well, I am not from this village, I came later. 111 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:46,000 Ê elboşêr çîşkê êşî me, fe mi qîçkê xwe anî vir. My daughter's back was hurting [coughing], so I brought my little one here. 112 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,000 E ev jî bawerî ke yanî? So this is also a belief, right? 113 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:54,000 Bawerî ke, erê. Yanî min nizani jî, silafî ne, min nizanî. Pişro me bîst. It is a belief, yes. I mean, I didn't know either, [I am] a predecessor/newcomer, I didn't know. Then we heard. 114 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000 Ê qîçkê me jî mazim bîn orto. And our little one grew up after that. 115 00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,000 Xwedê giya bihêle. May God keep them all. 116 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,000 Sax be, saet xweş. Be healthy, thank you. 117 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:59,000 Spas. Thanks. 118 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,000 E... And... 119 00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000 Tu jî we go ev jî dara çiye? Behsa darê jî kir? You also said, what is this tree? Did you mention the tree too? 120 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:08,000 Ew jî banko pê va girê didin. Me'ne yanî innu... çêbibî ne yanî. That one too, they tie rags to it. Meaning so that... so that they heal/it happens. 121 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,000 Aaa. Aaa. 122 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:11,000 Ewî kelemî çûle ye. Those are pieces of rags/cloth. 123 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:12,000 Dara miraza ye ev jî? Is this the Tree of Wishes too? 124 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:15,000 Dara miraza ye. Mirazî çêkirinê, çêbînê yanî. It is the Tree of Wishes. For wishes to be made, to happen, meaning. 125 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:17,000 Spas ji we ra, saeta we xweş. Thank you to you, health to your hour. 126 00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000 Saet xweş. Thank you. 127 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,000 Em jî we spas dikin, me nekin westand di vê germê da. We thank you too, don't let us tire you in this heat. 128 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:22,000 Xwedê we bihêle, ser çavan. May God keep you, you are welcome. 129 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:35,000 Spas ji we ra. Thank you to you. 130 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:40,000 Di gund da her weha kevirekî mezin û kun heye. In the village, there is also a large rock with a hole. 131 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,000 Şîniyên gund jêra dibêjin Kevirê Kuxikê. The inhabitants of the village call it the Coughing Stone. 132 00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:52,000 Di serdemên kevin da, ji ber ku bijîşk li herêmê nedihatin peyda kirin, gundiyan gelek baweriyên xwe bi vî kevirî dianîn. In ancient times, because doctors were not found in the region, the villagers placed a lot of their beliefs in this stone. 133 00:18:52,000 --> 00:19:02,000 Û ji bo zarokên xwe ji nexweşiyên wekî kuxikê biparêzin, zarokên xwe di berbangê de sê caran di qul a kevir re darbas dikirin. And to protect their children from illnesses like the cough, they passed their children through the hole of the stone three times at dawn. 134 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:08,000 Û bêyî ku li pey xwe binêrin, vedigeriyan malên xwe. And without looking behind them, they returned to their homes. 135 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:14,000 Li rex heman kevirî, dareke berûyê heye. Jêra tê gotin Dara Mirazan. Beside the same stone, there is an oak tree. It is called the Tree of Wishes. 136 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:34,000 Û kesê ku mirazekî dixwaze, paçekî bi darê ve girêdide. And a person who wants a wish, ties a rag to the tree. 137 00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:54,000 Belê temaşevanên hêja, em ji gund derketin, me berê xwe da bîrê. Yes, dear viewers, we left the village, we headed towards the well. 138 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,000 Bîrek li vir heye, ev bîra jî navberê du gunda da ye. There is a well here, and this well is between two villages. 139 00:19:57,000 --> 00:20:00,000 Gundê Maseka û gundê Memala da. The village of Maseka and the village of Memala. 140 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:08,000 Gundî jî hemî bi me ra derbas bûn, em sipasiya wan dikin. Carek din di vê germê da, di vê zehmetê da bi me ra derbas bûn. All the villagers came along with us, we thank them. Once again, in this heat, in this difficulty, they came along with us. 141 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,000 Em ê niha dîroka vê bîrê bipirsin. We will now ask about the history of this well. 142 00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,000 Merhaba Jwara. Hello Jwara. 143 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:22,000 Merhaba, ehlen we sehlen bi hatina we, bi bernamê Ax û Welat, û kameraya Rûdawê, û bêjî welat, û bêjî Kurd û Kurdistan. Hello, welcome to your arrival, to the program Soil and Country, and the Rûdaw camera, and let's say the country, and let's say Kurds and Kurdistan. 144 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:30,000 Sipaş dikim. Apo hêja, noha em derbasî ser vê bîrê bûn, we behsa bîrê kir, me jî got em ê derbasî ser bîrê bin. Ev bîra, ji çi qas sal da çi bûye? Thank you. Dear uncle, we have now come upon this well, you mentioned the well, and we said we would come to the well. This well, from how many years ago [does it date back]? 145 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Weleh bîr zeman da ye, tarîxa xwe ne belî ye. By God, the well is from [ancient] times, its date is not known. 146 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:40,000 Habo hindo guna, Osmanî da em zanin hebû. Bab û bapîrên me jî mer hew didan. Since ancient times, during the Ottomans we know it existed. Our fathers and grandfathers also gave us information. 147 00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:48,000 Navê vê bîrê dibên Bîra Barcûq. Barcûq, em noka dibên Barcûq. Aslê wê dibê "Pareçûq" e, bi Tirkî, yanê "Perepir". The name of this well is called the Well of Barcûq. Barcûq, we call it Barcûq now. Its origin is "Pareçûq", in Turkish, meaning "Perepir" (Much Money). 148 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:57,000 Navê vê bajarî digotin Barcûq. Berê bajar bû, ne mal bûn bes. Bajar bû, mezin bû. Heta niha eserên xwe hene. The name of this town was called Barcûq. It used to be a city, not just houses. It was a city, it was big. Even now its traces remain. 149 00:20:57,000 --> 00:21:03,000 Camî dadixistin hene, kûzên avê hene, kûzên zexîre dikirin hene. Mosques they built are there, water jars are there, jars where they stored grain are there. 150 00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,000 Li ku derê? Where? 151 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:09,000 Li vî derê, nav tirba, şûnê mezel, hebin ev tiştên va giştika. Right here, among the tombs, the place of the graves, all these things existed. 152 00:21:09,000 --> 00:21:11,000 Na, goristan e, li vir hemî goristan e. Now, it is a graveyard, all of this here is a graveyard. 153 00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:12,000 Goristan e. It is a graveyard. 154 00:21:12,000 --> 00:21:15,000 Noha ev goristan ê we te ne, lê ê kesên din jî li vir hene? Now is this graveyard yours, or are there others here too? 155 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,000 Ê Maseka û Mamola ye. It belongs to [the villages of] Maseka and Mamola. 156 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Yanî bîr a du gunda ye? So the well belongs to two villages? 157 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000 A du gunda ye. It belongs to two villages. 158 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:21,000 Goristan jî a du gunda ye? The graveyard is also for two villages? 159 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:22,000 A du gunda ye, erê. For two villages, yes. 160 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,000 Ê noka, we got bîr kevn e. So now, you said the well is old. 161 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Ê haya kengî dihatin va av ji vê bîrê dibir? Until when did they come to take water from this well? 162 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:31,000 Belkî heta niha em... hacetî dibin, ezmê noka da em tên dibin. Belê vê me sikinandin bû. Perhaps even until now we... are in need, in current times we come and take it. But we had stopped this. 163 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Demek bû ezmê çêbû... mada xesikandin, dersikandin, em tên avê xwe lê dibin. There was a time a crisis happened... shortage occurred, drought occurred, we come and take our water from it. 164 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,000 We em wek dibên berdin sewalî, çêl û tişt em xwe didabirînin. And we, as they say, release the livestock, cows and things, we manage with it. 165 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:47,000 Noha ez ji hevalê vî jî bipirsim. Noha bîra we... ev çend metroyan e? Now let me ask this friend as well. Now your well... how many meters is this? 166 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,000 Weleh bîra me... deh heta da û pênc metroyan kûr e, pir kûr e. By God our well... is ten to fifteen meters deep, very deep. 167 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000 Yanî 15 metre? So 15 meters? 168 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000 15 metre hene, erê. There are 15 meters, yes. 169 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:55,000 Firebûna wê? Its width? 170 00:21:55,000 --> 00:22:05,000 Firebûna wê jî jêr... da ew hene wekî tûnel çêkirina... tîra mer dikeve ê çêkir... avê berê... ra diketin dikirine çê... vala dikirin. Its width is also below... down there it is built like a tunnel... a man's radius fits inside the build... the water before... they went down and made it... emptied it. 171 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,000 Firebûna xwe, metre nîvek heye. Jêr heta jor. Its width is a meter and a half. From bottom to top. 172 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000 Yek e. It is uniform. 173 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,000 Ev av tîm ya ye? Is this water constant? 174 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,000 Tîm e ye. Zeîf bûye noka. It is constant. It has become weak now. 175 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:18,000 Zeîf bûye. Noha berê we hemî dat, av gund dat û zivir dibir? It has become weak. Now in the past, did it provide for all of you, did the village utilize it continuously? 176 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:26,000 Belê, naxirê du gunda, sê gunda... nêzîkê sed, sed û pêncî gaî me tîm lê av dida û hişk nedibû. Yes, the herds of two villages, three villages... nearly a hundred, a hundred and fifty cattle we constantly watered there and it didn't run dry. 177 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:30,000 Û pez... bizin bûn berê, mî tune bûn. Bizin bûn. And sheep... there were goats in the past, there were no sheep. There were goats. 178 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:35,000 Çarsed pêncsed bizin lê av vedixwar. Didatin kincê xwe lê dişûştin, serî xwe lê dişûştin. Four hundred, five hundred goats drank water there. They came and washed their clothes there, washed their heads there. 179 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,000 Ê noha li ku derê dişûştin? Kuderê cîh kuderê hebû? So where did they wash? Where was the place? 180 00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,000 Curn. Troughs. 181 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,000 Ew curn hebûn? Were there troughs? 182 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,000 Curn li vira hebûn. There were troughs right here. 183 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000 Hebûn. There were. 184 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:48,000 Du curn hebûn, kevirê reş bûn, qulqul bûn, gelek kûr bûn, curnê fere bûn. Av dikirin curna. There were two troughs, they were black stone, hollowed out, very deep, they were wide troughs. They put water in the troughs. 185 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,000 Ê naha li ku derê ne ew curnan? So where are those troughs now? 186 00:22:49,000 --> 00:23:00,000 Şikandin çûn. Li vira sewke hebû. Şikandin... hema çêkirin ser noka... dolab rakirin û bûn... lê dibin. They were broken and gone. There was a platform here. They broke them... just built over it now... put up a wheel and became... they take from it. 187 00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:06,000 Haya berî vî bîst salî we tîm da av zivir dibir? Noha jî tetî digunda da her malekê da bîrek wan çêbûye? Until twenty years ago you constantly utilized the water? And now in the village, every house has built a well of their own? 188 00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:07,000 Sahrînc çêbûne. Cisterns have been built. 189 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Sahrînc çêbûne, bîr çêbûne. Cisterns have been built, wells have been built. 190 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:08,000 Ne wek berê ye. Yes. 191 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:09,000 Ne wek berê ye. It's not like before. 192 00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:12,000 Na, ne wek berê ye. No, it's not like before. 193 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:19,000 Ka em ji dayikê jî tiştekî bipirsin. Let us ask the mother something as well. 194 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000 Merhaba Jwara jî. Hello to you too, Jwara [Auntie]. 195 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000 Merhabteyn. Hello twice [Double welcome]. 196 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,000 Hûn jî bi me ra derbas bûn di vê germê da, em sipasiya we jî dikin. You also came along with us in this heat, we thank you as well. 197 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,000 Sere we sax be înşallah. Navê min Emîne ye, ji Maseka me. May your head be healthy [Thank you], God willing. My name is Emîne, I am from Maseka. 198 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:32,000 Xizmeta Rûdawê da û ehlen we sehlen. Û serkeftin be înşallah. At the service of Rûdaw and welcome. And may there be success, God willing. 199 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:36,000 Sipaş dikim. Dayê, dema hûn dihatin vê bîrê, tû kê bi hev ra dihatin vira? Thank you. Mother, when you used to come to this well, who did you come here with? 200 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:43,000 Pîtê me dihatin, dikeyê me dihatin, cîranê me dihatin, me giş bi hevra alîkarî dikir, kinc me dişûştin, me cile xwe li vir dişûştin, av me dibir. Our aunts came, our mothers came, our neighbors came, we all helped each other, washed clothes, we washed our rugs here, we took water. 201 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:44,000 Ez bûk bûm dihatim. I was a bride [newlywed] when I came. 202 00:23:44,000 --> 00:23:45,000 Tu jî dihatî? You came too? 203 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:46,000 Ez dihatim, erê. I came, yes. 204 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,000 We heftê rojekî dihatin va cilê xwe li vir dişûştin? Did you come one day a week to wash your clothes here? 205 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,000 Cil, kinc, işta kinc, der... serê... serê zarokê me dişûştin. Rugs, clothes, well clothes... outside... head... we washed our children's heads. 206 00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:52,000 We li ku derê dişûşt? Where did you wash? 207 00:23:52,000 --> 00:24:00,000 Me kelem hebûn ber... sitore hebûn, me li poş genda... me tolda çêdikirin, me dişûştin serî qîçikê xwe. We had distinct spots in front... there were covers/curtains, behind the slopes... we made shelters, we washed our little ones' heads. 208 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:05,000 Ê û dema hûn dihatin, jin bi tenê dihatin ser vê bîrê? Mêr jî dihatin? And when you came, did only women come to this well? Did men come too? 209 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:11,000 Mêr... hebûn ne dihatin. Tinebûn û jin... ne dûr e û tirs xof tinebû. Men... there were [some], they didn't come. They weren't there and women... it's not far and there was no fear or dread. 210 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:13,000 Ji ber ku gund piçîk ji hev dûr in, zehmetîk hebû? Because the villages are a little far from each other, was there a difficulty? 211 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,000 No, weleh em neditirsiya. No, by God we were not afraid. 212 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:18,000 Ne ji bo tirsê. Ji bo we cefayî, wa çawa av dikişand, wa çawa dibir? Not about fear. For the hardship, how you drew the water, how you carried it? 213 00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:24,000 Xwedê emanet o dundin e. Înşallah em ê xelas bin ji vê cefayî. Înşallah em ê xelas bin. God is the trustee of the world. God willing we will be finished with this hardship. God willing we will be finished. 214 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:27,000 Bes çi qas cefa hebû, di gund da wexta jiyana xweş e yanê? But as much hardship as there was, was the life in the village good at that time? 215 00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:33,000 Elhemdulillah, jiyanek kef xweş bûn, rind bûn ya'nê. Bi hevra hinin hebû, ji merqa rind bû. Praise be to God, it was a happy life, it was good, you know. There was affection together, out of desire it was good. 216 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:39,000 Û yanê bi hevra alîkarî dikirin. Çi kar bû, cer-cera, bêder a, bexla, bi hevra alîkarî dikirin yane. And they helped each other. Whatever work it was, harvest, threshing floor, gardens, they helped each other, you know. 217 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:46,000 Bes nokeno millet... her kes ji xwe heyirî ye. Hela se'dê millet be, nokeno tiçkî her kes derdê xwe da ketiye. But now the people... everyone is confused/bewildered with themselves. May God help the people, now everyone has fallen into their own trouble. 218 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,000 Mala we ava be. Sipaş Jwara. May your house be prosperous [Thank you]. Thank you, Auntie. 219 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000 Weleh em kişandin. By God we pulled [water]. 220 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:52,000 Ka em hinek tiştê berê bînin bîra xwe. Ka em sekinin ka çawa bikin. Let us bring some things of the past to our memory. Let us stand and see how [you] do it. 221 00:24:52,000 --> 00:25:12,000 Em ê bikşînin. We will pull [draw water]. 222 00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:39,000 Berê bi çar cîya me hildikişand bi hevdira. Yekî li vir hildikişand, yekî li vir hildikişand, yekî li vir, yekî li vir. Me çara bi hevdira li vê bîrê me av hildikişand. Wextî em dihatin, zehmetî bû, me hildikişand bi hevdira wana. In the past, we pulled it up from four spots together. One pulled here, one pulled here, one here, one here. The four of us pulled up water together at this well. When we came, it was difficult, we pulled it up together like that. 223 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:40,000 Noko çêkirin e, yek tenê dikişîne. Now they built [a pulley], only one person pulls. 224 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:44,000 Ê kî ev der çend sal e wa girtî, ser vê bîrê? So how many years has this place been covered, over this well? 225 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:47,000 Heye... deh, pênc sal, bîst sal hene. There are... ten, five years, twenty years there are. 226 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:48,000 Ev dem e da wa girt hema? Is it since that time that you covered it like this? 227 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:49,000 Ji bo zaroka. For [the safety of] the children. 228 00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:58,000 Île ma'nê zarok xwetê warnekin, işta... tişt xwetê warneke. Heywanat xwetê warneke. Tişt mi... bila mezbût pak be û ya'nê em dixwazin temîz be yanê, rind be. So that children don't throw themselves in, well... don't throw things in. So animals don't throw themselves in. Things... let it be strong and clean, you know, we want it to be clean, you know, to be good. 229 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,000 Mala we ava be. Sipaş Jwara. May your house be prosperous. Thank you, Auntie. 230 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:06,000 Saxbî, xweşbî. Gula-gula, qenatî Rûdawê înşallah, ser çava, ser ser a. Serkeftin be înşallah. Be healthy, be happy. Flowers [Greetings], Rûdaw channel God willing, upon my eyes, upon my head [Welcome]. Success God willing. 231 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:12,000 Gula-gula. Flowers [Bye]. 232 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:21,000 Di navbera gundê Maseka û Mamola da bîrek a avê heye. Ev bîr bi navê Bîra Barcûqê tê naskirin. Between the villages of Maseka and Mamola, there is a water well. This well is known by the name the Well of Barcûq. 233 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:27,000 Gundiyan diyarkirin, navê bîrê tê wateya "Bîra ku barê giran radike". The villagers stated that the name of the well means "The well that lifts a heavy load". 234 00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:31,000 Li rex Bîra Barcûqê, goristana gund hatiye avakirin. Beside the Well of Barcûq, the village graveyard has been established. 235 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:36,000 Li gorî gundiyan, cihê goristanê şûnwarekî kevnar e. According to the villagers, the site of the graveyard is an ancient ruin. 236 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:42,000 Ev vedigere serdema Mîtaniyan. Û hê jî berhemên wê serdemê diyar in. It dates back to the Mittani era. And relics of that era are still visible. 237 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:48,000 Dayikên gund, derbarê rewşa xwe ya kişandina avê jî, ji heman bîrê anîn ziman. The mothers of the village also spoke about their situation regarding drawing water from the same well. 238 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:54,000 Û tevlî zehmetiya kişandina avê, gelek çîrokên xweş jîvegotin. And despite the difficulty of drawing water, they told many pleasant stories. 239 00:26:54,000 --> 00:27:06,000 Ji heman bîrê şivanan pez û sewalên xwe av didan. Û jinan jî bi taybet di rojên çarşemê de, serê zarokên xwe, cil û bergên xwe ji ava bîrê dişûştin. From the same well, shepherds watered their sheep and livestock. And women, especially on Wednesdays, washed their children's heads and their clothes with the water of the well. 240 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:10,000 Hunermend û muzîkvanê bi navê Mihemed Bilko. The artist and musician named Mihemed Bilko. 241 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:17,000 Ku ji heman gundî ye, di destpêka weşana bernameya Ax û Welat muzîka bernameyê amade dike. Who is from the same village, prepares the program's music at the beginning of the broadcast of the Soil and Country program. 242 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:20,000 Bilko bi ekîba bernameyê ra çû ser Bîra Barcûqê. Bilko went to the Well of Barcûq with the program team. 243 00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:40,000 Û li wir, li ser girîngiya vegera li ax û welat stranek diyarî bernameyê kir. And there, regarding the importance of returning to the soil and country, he dedicated a song to the program. 244 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:08,000 Em vegerin... xweşka delal... em vegerin. Let us return... dear sister... let us return. 245 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:14,000 Birayê heja... em vegerin. Dear brother... let us return. 246 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:19,000 Xweşka delal... em vegerin. Dear sister... let us return. 247 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000 Birayê heja... Dear brother... 248 00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,000 Li gundê xo... To our village... 249 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,000 Li warê xo... To our home [land]... 250 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Li gundê xo... To our village... 251 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:31,000 Li warê xo... To our home... 252 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:36,000 Gundê min çiqa şîrîn e. How sweet is my village. 253 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:42,000 Cîyê bav û kalê me. The place of our fathers and grandfathers. 254 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:47,000 Gundê min çiqa şîrîn e. How sweet is my village. 255 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:52,000 Cîyê bav û kalê me. The place of our fathers and grandfathers. 256 00:28:52,000 --> 00:29:12,000 Cîyê bav û kalê me... Cîyê bav û kalê me. The place of our fathers and grandfathers... The place of our fathers and grandfathers. 257 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,000 Tê bîra min... I remember... 258 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:37,000 Kanyêt avê... avên zelal. The water springs... clear waters. 259 00:29:37,000 --> 00:29:43,000 Veduwar jê... tê bîra min. Drank from it... I remember. 260 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:48,000 Kanyêt avê... avên zelal. The water springs... clear waters. 261 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,000 Me veduwar jê... We drank from it... 262 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:54,000 Ji gundê min... From my village... 263 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,000 Ji warê min... From my home... 264 00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,000 Ji gundê min... From my village... 265 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:00,000 00 - 39:46 === From my home... 266 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,000 Gundê min kaniya evînê. My village is the fountain of love. 267 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:11,000 Cîwarê Mem û Zînê. The abode of Mem and Zin. 268 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:16,000 Gundê min kaniya evînê. My village is the fountain of love. 269 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:22,000 Cîwarê Mem û Zînê. The abode of Mem and Zin. 270 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,000 Melhema li ser birînê. The ointment for the wound. 271 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:46,000 Melhema li ser birînê. The ointment for the wound. 272 00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,000 Jê te dûr im. I am far from you. 273 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:03,000 Welatê min. My country. 274 00:31:03,000 --> 00:31:06,000 Li ser te ne. Are upon you. 275 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,000 Awazê dmin. My melodies. 276 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,000 Jê te dûr im. I am far from you. 277 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:13,000 Welatê min. My country. 278 00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:16,000 Li ser te ne. Are upon you. 279 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,000 Helbesta min. My poem. 280 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,000 Tu gundê min. You are my village. 281 00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,000 Tu warê min. You are my home. 282 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:26,000 Tu gundê min. You are my village. 283 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,000 Tu warê min. You are my home. 284 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:33,000 Jiyana min dijwar. My life is difficult. 285 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:38,000 Li her dem bîra te dikim. I miss you at all times. 286 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:43,000 Jiyana min dijwar. My life is difficult. 287 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,000 Her dem ez bîra te dikim. I miss you at all times. 288 00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:52,000 Bêhna axa te dikim. I smell the scent of your soil. 289 00:31:52,000 --> 00:32:12,000 Bêhna axa te dikim. I smell the scent of your soil. 290 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:22,000 Belê temaşevanên hêja, em derbasî ser Riya Hesin jî bûn. Yes, dear viewers, we have also moved on to the Railway. 291 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:25,000 Kesê li vê derê kar dikirin, meşgûl dibûn bi xopani... The people who worked here, who were busy with the ruins... 292 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:31,000 Em jî spasiya wan dikin. Emê destpêkê navê wî bipirsin û emê dîroka vê Riya Hesin bipirsin. We thank them as well. First, we will ask his name, and we will ask about the history of this Railway. 293 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,000 Merheba Şivan. Hello, Shepherd [Note: Host likely mispoke or used a nickname, or said "Juwan"]. 294 00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,000 Merheba, kako merheba. Hello, brother, hello. 295 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,000 Em navê te nas bikin. Navê te bi xêr? May we know your name? What is your name, please? 296 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,000 Hisên e navê min. My name is Huseyin. 297 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:37,000 Ez ser çavan, Apê Hisên. You are welcome, Uncle Huseyin. 298 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:38,000 Tu sax bî. May you be healthy. 299 00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,000 Kengî ev Riya Hesin li vê derê çêbû? When was this Railway built here? 300 00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:46,000 Tarîxê vê hesinî, li hezar û neh sed û heftê bidayî gêndê li şixulîn. The history of this iron [railway], in one thousand nine hundred and seventy [1917], the beginning was when they worked on it. 301 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,000 Li hezar û neh sed û pêncî xelas kirin. They finished in nineteen fifty. 302 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,000 Hezar û neh sed û donzdeh xelas kirin. [Correction] They finished in nineteen twelve. 303 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:56,000 Ji hezar û neh sed û donzdeha, tren li ser meşiya. Since nineteen twelve, the train ran on it. 304 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,000 Kî tê de hewal da? Who helped/worked in it? 305 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:04,000 Bavê min hewal da. Bavê min sî û çar salan li ser vê rêka hesin şixulî. My father helped. My father worked on this railway for thirty-four years. 306 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000 Bavê te çi kar dikir? What work did your father do? 307 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:10,000 Li ser... herisê pirê bû. Wê pirê haşerge, wayê bilind. On... he was a guard of the bridge. That masonry bridge, the tall one. 308 00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,000 Herisê wê bû. Sî û çar salan herisê wê bû. He was its guard. He was its guard for thirty-four years. 309 00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,000 Ê, te çend salan li ber xwe da? And you, how many years did you spend there? 310 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,000 Pênc salan. Five years. 311 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,000 Pênc salan? Five years? 312 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000 Piştî wê jî, kar qut bû, hûn hatin? After that, the work stopped, and you came [back]? 313 00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:22,000 Ee, piştî wê, ro... dereng kar kir. Uh, after that, da... it operated late [for a while]. 314 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:28,000 Dereng kar kir. Piştî xelas kirin şûnda, hesin, hesin rakirin, xistin... tren şixulîn derkirin. It operated late. After they finished, the iron, they removed the iron, put... they took out the working trains. 315 00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:35,000 Paşê çû xizmeta wan, di rêka hesin şixulî, çû ser pirê... herisê kûpriyê. Then he went to their service, worked on the railway, went on the bridge... the bridge guard. 316 00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000 Ka em hinekî ji vî bibin. Merhaba Aşdar (?) jî. Let's get a little from this one too. Hello to you too, uncle. 317 00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,000 Ehlen, merhaba. Welcome, hello. 318 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000 Navê te bi xêr? What is your name, please? 319 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000 Ehmed. Ahmed. 320 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,000 Apê Ehmed, te got, "min li vê derê kar kiriye". Uncle Ahmed, you said, "I have worked here". 321 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:46,000 Te çend salan li vê derê kar kir? How many years did you work here? 322 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,000 Bîst û yek sal û sê meh. Twenty-one years and three months. 323 00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:55,000 Haya kengî te li vir kar dikir? Çend sale te sekiniye ji kar? Until when did you work here? How many years has it been since you stopped working? 324 00:34:55,000 --> 00:35:01,000 Nêzîkê bîst û çar sal ne, bîst û pênc sal ne jî, ez teqawît derketime. It's nearly twenty-four years, or twenty-five years, that I have retired. 325 00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:06,000 Ê dema... ev zinarê hat kolandinê, kê, kê li vir da kar kir? And when... this rock/tunnel was dug, who, who worked here? 326 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,000 Bav-kalê me bûn. Kolkê me wa digot. It was our forefathers. Our pickaxe [laborers], as they said. 327 00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:11,000 Digot, "Em li şixulîn". He said, "We were working". 328 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:17,000 Kolkê me, ne bavkê min, kolkê min digot em li şixulîn. Our pickaxe [laborers], not my father, my pickaxe [laborers] said we were working. 329 00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000 Ê di gundê Maseke de kalikê te tenê şixulî? And in the village of Maseke, did only your grandfather work? 330 00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:25,000 Ee, ez nizanim, wî digot "ez şixulîm". Hinek din şixulîn, ne şixulîn... Uh, I don't know, he said "I worked". Whether others worked, or didn't work... 331 00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000 Wederê... jimar hewa bû, ez nizanim. There... the number was vast, I don't know. 332 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:31,000 Kes ji gundîyên we da şixulîn li vê derê? Did anyone from your villagers work here? 333 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:32,000 Belê. Hinek şixulîn. Yes. Some worked. 334 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:33,000 Kî bûn ew? Who were they? 335 00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:38,000 Weke... Hisênê Ekeş, Reşîdê Ehme... Like... Huseyin Ekeş, Rashid Ahmed... 336 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,000 E... Hesenê Hecî Evdê... Uh... Hasan Haji Avde... 337 00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000 Hesenê Evdila... Hasan Abdullah... 338 00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:45,000 Mistefa... Mustafa... 339 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,000 Çend heb hebûn şixulîn li vir. There were a few who worked here. 340 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:48,000 Ew jî wefat kirin? Did they pass away too? 341 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,000 Hemû çûn rehmetê. They all went to [God's] mercy. 342 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,000 Xwedê rehma xwe li wan ke. May God have mercy on them. 343 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:52,000 Em sax. [May] we [be] alive. 344 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,000 Ê, mamoste, dema ev zinar dihat kolandin, Inglîz bûn yan Elman bûn? So, sir, when this rock was being dug, were they English or were they Germans? 345 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,000 Elman bûn. They were Germans. 346 00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,000 Elman bûn? They were Germans? 347 00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,000 Ee. Yes. 348 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:04,000 Tu agahdar î ka çawa ew zinar qul kirin? Are you aware of how they pierced that rock? 349 00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:08,000 Wê gavê, ji kalikê xwe min dibihîst... At that time, I used to hear from my grandfather... 350 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:11,000 Digot, "Meaşê Xwedê dane me". He said, "They gave us God's salary [sustenance]". 351 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:14,000 Digot, "Meaşê me baş bû". He said, "Our salary was good". 352 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,000 Meaşê wan çi bû wê demê? What was their salary at that time? 353 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:22,000 Ez nizanim. Pereyê wê demê çi bû, ez nizanim. Mecîdî bû, çi bû, ez nizanim. I don't know. What the money was at that time, I don't know. If it was Mecîdî [Ottoman coin], or what it was, I don't know. 354 00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:26,000 Wê gavê Olamên (Elman) digot... At that time the Germans said... 355 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,000 "Eger rast neyê..." "If it doesn't come straight..." 356 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,000 Loqna raste... The tube is straight... 357 00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:35,000 Yek ji vî alî ve dikolan, yek ji wî alî ve dikolan. One [group] dug from this side, one [group] dug from that side. 358 00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:38,000 Mesrefek pir lê çû. A lot of expense went into it. 359 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,000 "Eger rast neyê..." "If it doesn't come straight..." 360 00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:43,000 "Mozer a şûna xwe bikule." "[Let] the Mauser burn its place [referring to shooting himself]." 361 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,000 "Heger rast neyê." "If it doesn't come straight." 362 00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,000 Kî got "Mozerê li şûna xwe bixe"? Who said "fire the Mauser at its place [at himself]"? 363 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,000 Muhendisê wan. Their engineer. 364 00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,000 Muhendisê kê? Whose engineer? 365 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:51,000 Ê Elmana. The Germans'. 366 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:52,000 Navê wî çi bû? What was his name? 367 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:53,000 Ez nizanim. I don't know. 368 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:54,000 Tê bîra te? Do you remember? 369 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,000 Na, na, na. No, no, no. 370 00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,000 Kalikê te ji te re negotiye? Didn't your grandfather tell you? 371 00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:59,000 Na, negotiye navê wî çi ye. No, he didn't say what his name is. 372 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:05,000 Dema ev zinar hat qulandin, kî, kî li vê derê kar kir? When this rock was pierced, who, who worked here? 373 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:10,000 Hem qiçik bûn, kolkê me wa digot. Digot, "Ez li şixulîm". They were both small [young], our pickaxe [worker] said so. He said, "I worked there". 374 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:15,000 Kolkê min, ne bavkê min, kolkê min digot "ez li şixulîm". My pickaxe [grandfather/elder], not my father, my pickaxe [grandfather] said "I worked there". 375 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:19,000 Ê di gundê Maseke de kolkê te tenê şixulî? And in the village of Maseke, did only your grandfather work? 376 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:23,000 Ez nizanim, wî digot "ez şixulîm". Hinek din şixulîn, ne şixulîn... I don't know, he said "I worked". Whether others worked, or didn't work... 377 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:26,000 Wederê... jimar hewa bû, ez nizanim. There... the number was vast, I don't know. 378 00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:30,000 Kes ji gundîyên we da şixulîn li vê derê? Did anyone from your villagers work here? 379 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:35,000 Min ne bîstibû. Ti melûmatê min ser vê tünelê, min ne bîstibû. I hadn't heard. I hadn't heard any information about this tunnel. 380 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,000 Kolkê te li vir şixulî? Did your grandfather work here? 381 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:38,000 Ee. Yes. 382 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,000 Ê pir çiqas zehmet bû heta ew zinar qul kirin, ev çiyaye, çawa kirin? And how difficult was it until they pierced that rock, this mountain, how did they do it? 383 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:48,000 Bila xemê bû. Bila xemê bi daramîtê bû. It was without worry [meaning: just labor]. It was without worry using dynamite. 384 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000 Bi daramît lêdixistin, dikolan. They hit it with dynamite, they dug. 385 00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:53,000 Wa digot. So he said. 386 00:37:53,000 --> 00:38:00,000 Ez negihiştime... bi şûrî bû. I didn't reach [that age]... it was with swords [a long time ago/old times]. 387 00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:05,000 Çi tişt heye, te çi zanîn, tiştekî heye tu ji me re bêjî li ser vê rêyê? What is there, what knowledge do you have, is there anything you can tell us about this road? 388 00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:10,000 Te got bîst û yek sale te tê de kar kir? Te çi kar dikir? You said you worked in it for twenty-one years? What work did you do? 389 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:11,000 Ez ser pirê bûm. I was on the bridge. 390 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,000 Tu jî li ser pirê bûyî? You were also on the bridge? 391 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,000 Ez jî ser pirê bûm. I was also on the bridge. 392 00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,000 Ê pir ji vir va dûr e? Is the bridge far from here? 393 00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,000 Pênc kîlometre hene. It is five kilometers away. 394 00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:21,000 Na, pênc kîlometre, du kîlometre hene. No, five kilometers, it is two kilometers. 395 00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,000 Şûra osmanlî yek bû. The Ottoman rule was one [unified]. 396 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:31,000 Wextê we... gevr (gawir) na da qewirandin, xeberdan, utlêr... When... they drove out the infidels, they spoke, Hitler... 397 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,000 Ê Alemin... The Germans... 398 00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,000 Got zirar û mesref pir lê tê. He said a lot of loss and expense is going into it. 399 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:41,000 Dibe... utlêr gotî, "mozer... ê şûna xwe bikule". Maybe... Hitler said, "Let the Mauser... burn its place". 400 00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:45,000 Gotî "bêkule", gotî "bêkulin zirar tê tineye". Kar tê heye. He said "burn it", he said "burn it, there is no loss in it". There is work in it. 401 00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:47,000 Şûra rast. [Correcting] The straight path. 402 00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,000 Kê got ev gotina? Who said these words? 403 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:54,000 Riya Hesin a trênê ku Ewropa û welatê Şamê bi hev ve girê dide... The iron railway of the train that connects Europe and the land of Sham [Levant/Syria]... 404 00:38:54,000 --> 00:39:00,000 Di sala hezar û neh sed û donzdehan de hatiye avakirin. Was built in the year one thousand nine hundred and twelve. 405 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:05,000 Ev Riya Hesin, min ne zîbûn, bi tûnela ku derbas dibe... This Railway, I don't know [sic: likely 'bi nêzîkbûn'], passing through the tunnel... 406 00:39:05,000 --> 00:39:15,000 Ev tûnela trênê bi destên welatiyên gundê Maseka û gundê Dewdûrê hatiye kolandin. This train tunnel was dug by the hands of the citizens of Maseke village and Dewdure village. 407 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:16,000 Te çi kar dikir? What work did you do? 408 00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:18,000 Min kar ne dikir. I didn't work. 409 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,000 E te li vir kar nekir, di vê riya hesin da? So you didn't work here, in this railway? 410 00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:21,000 Ha, min kar nekiriye. No, I haven't worked. 411 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,000 Wekî din cotkar î? Otherwise, are you a farmer? 412 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,000 E. Yes. 413 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:25,000 Emirê te çiqas e? What is your age? 414 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,000 Heyştê. Eighty. 415 00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,000 Te bêtir çi kar dikir, tu traktor diajot? What work did you do mostly, did you drive a tractor? 416 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,000 Traktorê min diajot. I drove a tractor. 417 00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,000 Pale diçînî... hawa bû. Şixra dikişandin. Reaping the harvest... it was like that. Hauling the crops. 418 00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,000 Belê temaşevanên hêja, êvar jî li me hat. Yes, dear viewers, evening has come upon us. 419 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,000 Em gihîştin dawiya bernameya xwe. Îro me li gundê Maseka derbas kir. We have reached the end of our program. Today we spent it in the village of Maseke. 420 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,000 Emê xatira xwe ji we bixwazin. Heta bernameyekî din, li gundekî din, emê dîsa bi we re bin. We will bid you farewell. Until another program, in another village, we will be with you again.